Re: The Devil's Advocate
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:20 pm
I have missed this my friend. Truly.
Now then,... who here is familiar with the legend/story of Bluebeard?
For those who aren't, here's the short version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluebeard#Plot_summary" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I would like to pose the question: Who is the foremost adversary to the protagonist, the young wife?
I would like to suggest that a truer answer is the young wife. It was she who allowed herself to be placed in such a dubious situation without appreciating the potential gravity and/or consequence. However, how could she?
I fell out of my chair and shouted huzzah when I read this. And although I know the question you finish this portion of your post with isn't meant to be answered, I'm going to thusly!: Because it was in her innate nature. His innate nature. They're innate nature, to allow the situation to occur. I'm going to buy you a copy of Iron John by Robert Bly if you don't already own one. You'll dig it. Bly's primary hypothesis is that all, if not most, of the most ancient fairy tales (read mythology, think the first part of Genesis but I didn't tell you that nudge nudge wink wink say no more say no more!) are meant to be read as a kind of initiatory ritual: aspects of every character represent the real protagonist of the stories (that would be you, dear reader!). How's that for a doodle berry!
In her nescience she could not have appreciated the gravity of the situation, no matter how apprehensive she may have felt (expressly); this is a critical aspect to nescience that might be unappreciated, that it occurs even beyond the deliberate pursuit of knowledge.
There's another doodle berry if you look at the origins of the world nescience, namely the latin ne meaning not, and scire, to know...I'm going to stab and say a verb. To not participate in actively knowing. Which means, at least in my swiss cheese of a brain, that the potential to know exists and one way or another, a choice is made...and that opens up all kinds of doodle berries....but I mean think about that. The potential for knowledge existing innately in every single human being on the planet, and the choices we make (re: watching Bruce Jenner transform into Kaytlin Jenner and then appearing on RuPaul's Drag Race season 9.....Ru! You have she-mail!....k...I...didn't actually....just...type....aaaaaw shiznat).
Which is to say, her truest adversary is inexperience. In so saying, there is no individual or group - whether past, present, or future - which is principally 'at fault' for the manner in which the feminine has been deliberately suppressed (and I don't mean the militant, social-justice-warrior variety). That there are agencies that have participated - and do still in some cases - is a result of the natural sequence of things throughout the ages. The human lifespan is too fleeting for an individual to even grasp significant enough awareness of things, and without the prescient awareness of cause and effect on a massive scale it seems unlikely that a group would fare any better.
Aw c'mon man. You're not giving her, or her parents, enough credit.
Or you're in turn saying something even more profound that wasn't meant to be caught initially by the reader, and am getting ready to lead us down another garden path, and if that's the case you know I already agree with where you're going. Insert zombie face here. I'm suggesting that the arrow for both of us is pointing in the same direction, but where you are quoting the feminine I'm suggesting it transcends gender, it exists...as part of our hard wiring, our DNA if you have to go that way, or our innate creation in the image of the Divine if you want to go the other route.
I'm saying you're right. But I'm also saying that it's a layer cake. Dammit now I'm hungry.
What we do have now is the opportunity/responsibility to act from a scient (as opposed to nescient) consciousness.[/quote]
Agreed with a caveat. If the protagonist is actually the reader of the story, and every character is an aspect of the protagonist, where does that leave us with Bluebeard? And I almost typed the serpent in place of Bluebeard. Re-read Genesis chapter 3. I recently did and just about fell off my bed.
I am so glad to be back!!!
Now then,... who here is familiar with the legend/story of Bluebeard?
For those who aren't, here's the short version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluebeard#Plot_summary" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I would like to pose the question: Who is the foremost adversary to the protagonist, the young wife?
I would like to suggest that a truer answer is the young wife. It was she who allowed herself to be placed in such a dubious situation without appreciating the potential gravity and/or consequence. However, how could she?
I fell out of my chair and shouted huzzah when I read this. And although I know the question you finish this portion of your post with isn't meant to be answered, I'm going to thusly!: Because it was in her innate nature. His innate nature. They're innate nature, to allow the situation to occur. I'm going to buy you a copy of Iron John by Robert Bly if you don't already own one. You'll dig it. Bly's primary hypothesis is that all, if not most, of the most ancient fairy tales (read mythology, think the first part of Genesis but I didn't tell you that nudge nudge wink wink say no more say no more!) are meant to be read as a kind of initiatory ritual: aspects of every character represent the real protagonist of the stories (that would be you, dear reader!). How's that for a doodle berry!

In her nescience she could not have appreciated the gravity of the situation, no matter how apprehensive she may have felt (expressly); this is a critical aspect to nescience that might be unappreciated, that it occurs even beyond the deliberate pursuit of knowledge.
There's another doodle berry if you look at the origins of the world nescience, namely the latin ne meaning not, and scire, to know...I'm going to stab and say a verb. To not participate in actively knowing. Which means, at least in my swiss cheese of a brain, that the potential to know exists and one way or another, a choice is made...and that opens up all kinds of doodle berries....but I mean think about that. The potential for knowledge existing innately in every single human being on the planet, and the choices we make (re: watching Bruce Jenner transform into Kaytlin Jenner and then appearing on RuPaul's Drag Race season 9.....Ru! You have she-mail!....k...I...didn't actually....just...type....aaaaaw shiznat).
Which is to say, her truest adversary is inexperience. In so saying, there is no individual or group - whether past, present, or future - which is principally 'at fault' for the manner in which the feminine has been deliberately suppressed (and I don't mean the militant, social-justice-warrior variety). That there are agencies that have participated - and do still in some cases - is a result of the natural sequence of things throughout the ages. The human lifespan is too fleeting for an individual to even grasp significant enough awareness of things, and without the prescient awareness of cause and effect on a massive scale it seems unlikely that a group would fare any better.
Aw c'mon man. You're not giving her, or her parents, enough credit.

I'm saying you're right. But I'm also saying that it's a layer cake. Dammit now I'm hungry.
What we do have now is the opportunity/responsibility to act from a scient (as opposed to nescient) consciousness.[/quote]
Agreed with a caveat. If the protagonist is actually the reader of the story, and every character is an aspect of the protagonist, where does that leave us with Bluebeard? And I almost typed the serpent in place of Bluebeard. Re-read Genesis chapter 3. I recently did and just about fell off my bed.
I am so glad to be back!!!