Definitions:

“CAVE IN,” mental and/or physical collapse to the extent that the individual cannot function causatively . The individual is quite effect. Western term which symbolized mental or physical collapse as like being at the bottom of a mine shaft or in a tunnel when the supports collapsed and left the person under tons of debris.

FAIR GAME, by fair game is meant, may not be further protected by the codes and disciplines of Scn or the rights of a Scientologist. (HCO PL 23 Dec 65). Might be sued or attacked. Applied to any person declared suppressive.

jiminii wrote:Asian are more open to spiritual stuff that is suppressed by Western dogma religions and I found being in a Buddhist country or even India I am more protected from entities that deliberately try to cave in the big being and pull him down.

jiminii

jiminii, According to the new method to create "orbs", "golden balls", or "viewpoints for thetans" that you describe. Will this new method is the solution for this problem you describe? Namely "entities that deliberately try to cave in the big being and pull him down. "

I understand by what you explain, that our meat bodies are run by ghost entities created by us, creator gods. But this ghosts running our bodies also have a reactive mind or the mind that records automatically. So my question is if in the new games being created, are there creator gods creating universes with meat bodies run by ghosts but without this automatic recording system in the mind?

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Tori amos
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we are looking at electronics. In the beginning of creation there is nothing. There is NO LOVE, because LOVE hasn't been created yet. Nothing has been created, so love itself is a creation. In fact it has some hook to it that spirits like that sticks them in it, but in truth love is a creation.

Marriages break up???? Why????

If you don't create love you don't have it, that simple. If you think it is automatic, it is not. You have to keep creating it if you want to keep it. Everything right down to thought itself is created from our considerations or NOT.

The words, "I want you." creates a tractor beam that tries to pull someone in. This immediately causes the recipient to put a pressor beam out to push the other away. All the boys you want are moving away and all those you don't want are coming at you. Same for the boy.

So aberration is created the same way. We designed bodies that that can be damaged. We designed the pain too. We designed the recordings to make us avoid pain which causes us to have more pain coming in at us. That what we resist comes at us.

This is the mechanics of operating in a human body that we designed. We never expected we would be trapped in the body with those designs setup to keep us trapped.

We designed planets and stars and lifeforms for our amusement. We didn't KNOW we could hurt someone, (another spirit), which eventually led us to this mess. This mess is created because a spirit can hurt another and therefore we eventually used all our powers for wars and etc.

The pain can be experienced only because the spirit considers he can be hurt, so it is also his own creation.

So if we go back and remove the memories and those considerations that can impinge pain on a being, then the only pain we can experience is the pain of the body, and only if we are connected to it and have agreed to this pain.

We can actually operate the body outside the body and not experience any of the pain. So all of this can be handled and made to be what it was originally designed for. A universe we can play with and create all this stuff for our own amusement.

Redesigning the creation of the golden ball so all this mechanics is removed and we operate off pure theta, (thought, life force energy), is how we should have designed it from the beginning, but we didn't. It lasted for trillions of trillions of years this universe of pain, emotion and every other thing we put in it.

I can still experience pain from the body because I didn't finish the steps to get me out and remove the considerations I have of being able to experience pain. That would complete me, but it is also what the dark forces want to prevent too. They want to control us by constant impingement of pain from this universe in any form. Since recordings can impinge past pain on the body, they use fear and threats and etc to control us.

if we removed the considerations of pain. they can completely destroy the body and we wouldn't feel it.

So this is just the beginning of how we are changing the future, by removing all this stuff.

But it also creates another problem, and that is getting the dark forces to DO the processes to remove the considerations that are in them too.

So we can heal up to a point. By giving everyone a new orb, alone, raises the vibrations so high it could disintegrate a high percentage of the negative forces and considerations. You still must get everyone to decide they want a new orb. This means removal of all your past memories recorded in the physical universe in some kind of copy of their experiences. You still have these memories that are outside this physical universe but do not impinge on the body. Getting people willing to remove this memory isn't going to be hard when the being is outside the body or between lives.

So it takes the time it takes to do all this and that is what we are doing.

jiminii

Thanks for the answer jiminii. I can see the concept of "higher self" and the tapes on "The History of Man" are key to understand this.

On another subject, I remember you said it was your postulate to end the war of Scientology with the IRS. I remember when "the war is over" was announced. But one consequence of that was a pending cycle.

In 1995 I was working on translations and one of the materials we were working on was the campaign of David Miscavige to document and expose the crimes of the IRS and his support to the CATO institute to abolish the Income Tax and replace it with a flat sales tax. All that effort stopped after "the war was over".

But abolishing not only the Income Tax but also abolishing the IRS is a must. Bill Cooper has made a magnificent job of documenting the illegal and fake existence of the IRS. Today even IRS ex-employees are whistleblowing that the agency has no right to collect taxes. This is important today because the US population has slided to a communist minded way of thinking supporting illegal Income Tax and the IRS.

jiminii wrote:we are looking at electronics. In the beginning of creation there is nothing. There is NO LOVE, because LOVE hasn't been created yet. Nothing has been created, so love itself is a creation. In fact it has some hook to it that spirits like that sticks them in it, but in truth love is a creation.

Marriages break up???? Why????

If you don't create love you don't have it, that simple. If you think it is automatic, it is not. You have to keep creating it if you want to keep it. Everything right down to thought itself is created from our considerations or NOT.
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The pain can be experienced only because the spirit considers he can be hurt, so it is also his own creation.

So if we go back and remove the memories and those considerations that can impinge pain on a being, then the only pain we can experience is the pain of the body, and only if we are connected to it and have agreed to this pain.



jiminii

This sometimes make me think, that without this, this game would become uninteresting. We created all these emotions like pain, we created these degenerating bodies, these bodies that needs feeding, we gave away our telepathic abilities and all that only to make this game more and more interesting. And playing this game from don't know how many trillion years.

And you say that we will just go back to the beginning where everyone will win, and not certain weather it will be really amusing. On the other hand I also realize that the way we are stuck in this game right now is just so miserable and so uninteresting, and that freeing our self and the other being is the new game for us now.

But on other side you say that by replacing these new golden balls we will be like this.. and like that .. and the new game will be very interesting to play. Plus I think many people have so much left to prove themselves on this game alone. They have their own life stories that they want to unfold and show them the results. These people will also deny these new golden balls for some time, maybe they will choose to have one but not right away.

That is why I think people from future don't want you to overwhelm people and asked you to let them change with slow pace. Because these people have their own life stories to unfold for themselves.

It is like you are struggling in life, making money in a creative job and then suddenly you fell in love with a beautiful girl who is so so rich and powerful wanted to marry you that you don't have to work anymore, and you find yourself purposeless..

The key to understand what is going on is the discovery of the Higher Self phenomena. Jiminii is aware of he as a higher self. Buddha was aware of he as a higher self. The Higher Self phenomena is described in the "History of Man" taped lectures. We as a being at source can create several beings or spiritual beings that are different personalities and operate in this universe in the form of a golden ball or thetan. That's how I understand that.

Jiminii's solution proposed here seems to me the best solution to this society. If the OT III incident is true, then the material things in here and the bodies are a program to implement that OT III brainwashing. The brainwashing or R6 impant (mind control) includes creating society as we know it here, cars, work, money, taxes, corruption and paedophilia. If this OT III stuff is not "handled" and errased (as-ised) then we will be spreading and implementing this brainwashing to all the galaxy.

Jiminii, to implement the solution you propose we need an organization. Is there on set up here or is one being set up by white scientologists from the future?

cuitlahuac wrote:The key to understand what is going on is the discovery of the Higher Self phenomena. Buddha was aware of he as a higher self.

ehm As far as I can tell Buddha never talked about higher selves. He did not refer to himself as "a higher self" he referred to himself as The Tathagata which can be translated as:

The word's original significance is not known and there has been speculation about it since at least the time of Buddhaghosa, who gives eight interpretations of the word, each with different etymological support, in his commentary on the Digha Nikaya, the Sumangalailasini:[1]

• He who has arrived in such fashion, i.e. who has worked his way upwards to perfection for the world's good in the same fashion as all previous Buddhas.
• He who walked in such fashion, i.e. (a) he who at birth took the seven equal steps in the same fashion as all previous Buddhas or (b) he who in the same way as all previous Buddhas went his way to Buddhahood through the four Jhanas and the Paths.
• He who by the path of knowledge has come at the real essentials of things.
• He who has won Truth.
• He who has discerned Truth.
• He who declares Truth.
• He whose words and deeds accord.
• The great physician whose medicine is all-potent.

What I get from this is that they are all humanly attainable states of being. Although we possibly want to deify those qualities. They are allready present.
No Higher self needed

Thanks all, it seems our journey by necessity or design has us using words to commune. As such the usage of them is at best, when we are clear inside inspirational and uplifting, at worst they are the underpinnings of a false and contorted reality. The whole concept of higher self and ascension has the hairs on the back of my neck raised at the moment.

Remembering that English is not the native language of cuitlahuac or Eelco, I am not scribing here in reference to either of their writings. I have said in the past and for me it bears repeating, once we can hear the space between the words, feel the Being who is always present and when fortunate find those we can commune silently with ... well words just fall away or depending on the circumstance, flow freely no longer tethered to conceptualized held beliefs.

I listened to Alan Watts last night, like listening to the wind making the trees laugh, enjoy.

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For a friend with Love.



On futility:
'Dusting is a good example of the futility of trying to put things right. As soon as you dust, the fact of your next dusting has already been established.' ~ George Carlin