The truth of LRH L. Ron Hubbard

[cuitlahuac]

ehm As far as I can tell Buddha never talked about higher selves. He did not refer to himself as "a higher self" he referred to himself as The Tathagata which can be translated as:

The word's original significance is not known and there has been speculation about it since at least the time of Buddhaghosa, who gives eight interpretations of the word, each with different etymological support, in his commentary on the Digha Nikaya, the Sumangalailasini:[1]

• He who has arrived in such fashion, i.e. who has worked his way upwards to perfection for the world's good in the same fashion as all previous Buddhas.
• He who walked in such fashion, i.e. (a) he who at birth took the seven equal steps in the same fashion as all previous Buddhas or (b) he who in the same way as all previous Buddhas went his way to Buddhahood through the four Jhanas and the Paths.
• He who by the path of knowledge has come at the real essentials of things.
• He who has won Truth.
• He who has discerned Truth.
• He who declares Truth.
• He whose words and deeds accord.
• The great physician whose medicine is all-potent.

What I get from this is that they are all humanly attainable states of being. Although we possibly want to deify those qualities. They are allready present.
No Higher self needed

I used the word "Higher Self" because in the mid 90's Alex Collier said we were going to "discover the Higher Self".

The definition you posted of "Tathagata" indicates the state of higher self. Tathagata being Truth and Truth being related to the ultimate and underlying consciousness for all phenomena.

Tathāgata (Sanskrit: [t̪əˈt̪ʰɑːɡət̪ə]) is a Pali and Sanskrit word; Gautama Buddha uses it when referring to himself in the Pāli Canon. The term is often thought to mean either "one who has thus gone" (tathā-gata) or "one who has thus come" (tathā-āgata). This is interpreted as signifying that the Tathāgata is beyond all coming and going – beyond all transitory phenomena. There are, however, other interpretations and the precise original meaning of the word is not certain.[1]

The Buddha is quoted on numerous occasions in the Pali Canon as referring to himself as the Tathāgata instead of using the pronouns me, I or myself. This may be meant to emphasize by implication that the teaching is uttered by one who has transcended the human condition, one beyond the otherwise endless cycle of rebirth and death, i.e. beyond dukkha.

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That which is "beyond all transitory phenomena" and "transcended the human condition" and "beyond the endless cycle of rebirth and death" is we as spirits existing beyond the conditions that give rise to perceivably phenomena.

Here is a good example of what that higher self is. At
3:30 min mark, consciousness is explained as a flow, as a river.
4:00 min mark, your soul could in essence be reincarnated here on Earth as multiple individuals, both human and non human.
12:10 your soul mate is in esense you expresing yourself in a different body.

Twin Flames and Soul Mates (Do they Exist?) - Teal Swan
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[cuitlahuac]

Here Teal Swan in her interview she tells that she was sai baba in her past life in India and that there are others in her soul stream incarnated as other gurus in India in past and why they now dont like to incarnate there and do things differently, like performing magical stuff that they did in past.

Note: In this case what she refers as "soul stream" is a concept for "higher self".

Teal Swan on Her Past Life as Sai Baba from India
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuMr2BrIuyM[/youtube]

5:20 min mark, She explains how a Master is a coalescence of intentions or souls, and why some of these souls or intentions decided to separate and incarnate in the US instead of India.

Definitions:

Sai Baba of Shirdi, also known as Shirdi Sai Baba, was an Indian spiritual master who was regarded by his devotees as a saint, fakir, and satguru, according to their individual proclivities and beliefs. He was revered by both his Hindu and Muslim devotees, and during, as well as after, his life it remained uncertain if he was a Hindu or a Muslim. This, however, was of no consequence to Sai Baba.[2] He stressed the importance of surrender to the true Satguru or Murshid, who, having trod the path to divine consciousness, will lead the disciple through the jungle of spiritual training.[3]

Sathya Sai Baba (born Sathya Narayana Raju; 23 November 1926 – 24 April 2011[4]) was an Indian guru and philanthropist.[5] He claimed to be the reincarnation of Sai Baba of Shirdi.[6]
Sai Baba's materialisations of vibhuti (holy ash) and other small objects such as rings, necklaces, and watches, along with reports of miraculous healings, resurrections, clairvoyance, bilocation, and alleged omnipotence and omniscience, were a source of both fame and controversy.[7] His devotees considered them signs of his divinity, while sceptics viewed them as simple conjuring tricks. He further faced accusations over the years of sexual abuse and fraud, which he rejected as smear campaigns.[8][9]

From Wikipedia.

[cuitlahuac]

Below is what Hubbard described since the early 50's on this topic of the "higher self":

TIME TRACK OF THETA
HISTORY OF THE THETA LINE

In all of the fields of knowledge, a unification of knowables is desirable.

And when I start talking to you about the individual and individuality, I have to take in factors... These factors consist of the fact that one theta body can take care of several individuals and ordinarily does.

What happens on the theta body line is very interesting. You find the theta body line starting out as an individuality. It progresses a little way through the MEST universe and may unite with another theta body line or two more, and then spread out from that and become several lines again.

In short, here you have your original theta body line, it comes along, it goes along fine, and this lifetime, it's one. And then it hits a lifetime strata and it becomes three or four. And then these three or four come in again to just one individuality again.

Now, here you have this operation: this body line then, may go out as two bodies. You could actually track somebody back and find him living twice through the same age period. You can find him living twice in the past, through the same years. But more importantly, more important to you as an auditor, you can find a preclear living in four or six or ten entities right here on this universe at this moment. And you can demonstrate it in any way you want to demonstrate it, and even write letters to the other identities, if you want to go that far, and tell them what they had for breakfast.

Now, up above the line of knowingness - this knowingness is a sort of individuality; it's a sort of a manifestation in front of a curtain. Here, let us say, [marking on blackboard] is a curtain, and here is "I" over here, but back of "I" there's a lot of knowledge can be concentrated, and "I" sort of shuts that off and says, "Well, that doesn't apply to me." Well, very often it applies to him so strenuously that if he doesn't know about it, he's going to be a sick man. Now, that's no good.

So, we'll go down the line here, and we'll find this "I," let us say, in this life. That was one "I". Now, we take this span here with four lives, and we've got "I" here, and we've got "I" here [blackboard]. That's not back of each other, you understand; these are just curtains. And there's an "I" in front of each curtain, but actually back of this is the same theta line. Actually, back of this you have just this theta line going along; it's the same line. It just depends on how many individuals come off of it this time.

You'll find a situation back through the evolutionary stretch where the "I" is dividing... And you'll find this division, division, division, division, then you'll find all the divisions sort of coming back in together, and then going all out and being different entities again and coming back in and - it's wonderful.

It could be very confusing if you permitted it to confuse you. The only reason you could be confused about it is you're fairly low on the Tone Scale and you said, "I'm going to be me, and that's all there is to that," and "There's nobody else is going to share any part of anything I'm doing," and "I can't be anybody else but me."

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Definitions:

THETA: is thought, life force, elan vital, the spirit, the soul, or any other of the numerous definitions it has had for some thousands of years.

MEST, 1. a coined word, meaning matter, energy, space and time, the physical universe.

PRECLEAR, 1. a person who, through Scn processing, is finding out more about himself and life.

KNOWINGNESS, 1. being certainness. 2 . a capability for truth; it is not data. 3 . knowingness would be self-determined knowledge.

TONE SCALE, under affinity we have the various emotional tones ranged from the highest to the lowest and these are, in part, serenity (the highest level), enthusiasm (as we proceeded downward towards the baser affinities), conservatism, boredom, antagonism, anger, covert hostility, fear, grief, apathy. This in Scn is called the tone scale.

[Naga_Fireball]

TONE SCALE, under affinity we have the various emotional tones ranged from the highest to the lowest and these are, in part, serenity (the highest level), enthusiasm (as we proceeded downward towards the baser affinities), conservatism, boredom, antagonism, anger, covert hostility, fear, grief, apathy. This in Scn is called the tone scale.

when we separate emotion from stimulus, ie when we skip the cause and focus on the effect as translated by human emotion, aren't we missing a vital aspect of the process?

I don't argue with serenity being the highest, but enthusiasm? Even a dictator can be enthusiastic. Or my stalker, etc Lol.

In some situations doesnt it seem that grief is important? Like visiting a cemetery, in that context I'd value grief over enthusiasm, because,

It is Human

[Eelco]

So Cuitlahuac,

That is what alex, teal and hubbart said.
I am saying it's all a load of bollocs. Self -realization may be a better word although that too implies doing something in the future..

There is You. and thats it. with the wanted and unwanted qualities.
As soon as you accept both and make a conscious choice to either go with either in every moment. one is well on its way to self - realisation.
Because you realize which choice you are making and hopefully why you make it.

What else is my higher self than a projection of myself living from my wanted qualities.
As I said before as a multi dimensional being i'm probably living everywhere at once. Up in the higher dimensions. I think it's only fair if my higher dimensional self is conscious of it's surroundings there.. I'll worry about this plane of existence as I am here now.

With Love
Eelco

[jiminii]

The pole LRH mentioned in the free being tape is a theta trap. They are placed all over the galaxy to trap spirit beings on them then someone comes along and collects them and dumps them on a prison planet like this.
This pole must generate enough force to knock out a spirit being so the being can be implanted and trapped in bodies on planets like this.

You could probably kill a human body with a 50,000 watt lightning bolt to the head, but a spirit could brush his spiritual teeth with a hundred billion watt lightning bolt. So it takes an awful lot of force to knock out a spirit so you can implant him, (basically hypnotize him).

This pole looks like a statue of a human. What does it take to shift your viewpoint that is YOU operating from the orb to YOU operating from the human body.

You no longer use radio frequencies to communicate by telepathy and trillions of other perceptions a spiritual being can sense, and your vision is shifted from the being to the eyes inside the human head, and including every human perception the body has like pain from every individual cell in the body and all the mechanics like balance and every position of everything else in relationship to everything else like where is the arm pointing in relationship to the left leg.

All of it setup to TRAP a big being, a being that can toss planets into outer space like baseballs.

I made my connection to this theta arm in Thailand inside a house and extended it outside the window and connected, (could actually feel the theta fingers connect to the is-ness that is controlling the rain), and made a very light wiggle of the theta fingers connected to the storm, and the storm shifted so violently into the house and away from the house to the wiggle of my fingers and it shook the entire house violently.

I pulled back the theta fingers, it scared the hell out of me.. If I would have done it any harder than that, the entire house would come down on me.

I did the same thing again in an ice cream store in NYC New York, and shook the entire ice cream store.

This is just sensing a little of a spirit beings Native abilities if he wasn't trapped in a body with every single perception altered from operating as a spirit to operating as a human body.

Why do you think it takes them something like 59 days to convert him from being himself to being a body?

Your higher self is none other than you the being with full perception as compared to being a mocked up human body totally believing that's what you are.

Get out of the body and you ARE your higher self. Inside the body you are a hypnotized monkey.

That society up there decided to trap all big beings on prison planets so they could run it themselves. There are no more Jedi up there anymore. The universe is running itself. They have this huge problem on their plate right now. There is no Jedi to run this universe for them.

Having made the mistake is bad, but not as bad as their stupidity in trying to maintain control without trying to rehabilitate the Jedi.

There just is no technology out there that can rehabilitate a Jedi.

So anyone like LRH comes down to rehabilitate a Jedi is attacked because they are afraid of the Jedi.

It wouldn't matter if it was LRH or any other workable way, it would all be attacked.

So we are letting everyone operate in this mode from the future while we are changing that future too to more or less prove that the being with the most power will be the one who can put his thoughts into the physical universe over those who can't.

So if they want to rule this universe they will have to study it because their black magic isn't going to work either.

Get the idea???

jiminii

[Christine]

Ok, feeling the itch in my fingers where I must write something so here goes. One of the things that LRH was really, really wrong about (MHO of course) was the reason we, Spirit, are embodied. Let me reverse think this for a moment, Ron said it is a TRAP, well I remember the CHOICE the 'I am' made when it incarnated. There is a reason, a very Cosmic one at that, Earth was NOT a prison planet, it is a sought after JEWEL within the galaxy and as such became a prize for those whose mission it is to control and consume LIFE. So we became entrapped, entranced and foolishly succumbed to the temptations and errors ... think it through, who did that but you?

The great Aeon Sophia... The immense Dragoness of Creation that embodied herself on Earth did not do so because of a trap, she Knew and continues to know the reason She/ We are Here and Now Present. Again I hear Ron's disdain for Her, for the female and I repudiate him for that. His brilliance is an arrogance that led to the abuses within Scientology. Why the compulsion to quote him when you your self is the Knower.

LRH disdained the body, Captain Bill Robertson went on to continue the research which led him to the body org -- the millions and trilions of sentient particles that work as a harmonious whole. Now here is what I have seen and shared with present day 'senior auditors', (I dislike the word senior but you both use the sci-fi lingo.) The body is the most attacked and suppressed of all, for the Spirit, as you said jiminii is Free. The soul packet of memory and experience incarnated in this body is where we are reversing out from within, if you will. We can't simply erase pain, we can walk through the knot hole of it though and in so doing recall how the f*ck it got so messed up, and not because LRH said so, blah, blah, blah.

The Spirit is eternally free and as you point out jiminii, participates in creation via powerful, Jedi dynamics. But sir! I exclaim! Where is Wisdom? How is wisdom acquired? Ok, my answer is simple: EXPERIENCE, we are here to experience this dimension of duality, to fully know cause and effect, else we repeat the bloody cycles all over again.

End of my rant...

Allowing a postscript: @cuitlahuac ... Teal Swan is a beautiful being though I have watched her untarnished authenticity become co-opted by the mechanisms of control. I want to hear what you, the being, has discovered, what is your purpose? Damn Sci-fi-tology for its underlying meme (program) of arroganance. All the big words and definitions do NOT a Being make. Love you, ah! Love, love, love ... tell me about it please.

The pole LRH mentioned in the free being tape is a theta trap. They are placed all over the galaxy to trap spirit beings on them then someone comes along and collects them and dumps them on a prison planet like this.
This pole must generate enough force to knock out a spirit being so the being can be implanted and trapped in bodies on planets like this.

...

This is just sensing a little of a spirit beings Native abilities if he wasn't trapped in a body with every single perception altered from operating as a spirit to operating as a human body.

Why do you think it takes them something like 59 days to convert him from being himself to being a body?

Your higher self is none other than you the being with full perception as compared to being a mocked up human body totally believing that's what you are.

Get out of the body and you ARE your higher self. Inside the body you are a hypnotized monkey.

....

Get the idea???

jiminii

[cuitlahuac]

I made my connection to this theta arm in Thailand inside a house and extended it outside the window and connected, (could actually feel the theta fingers connect to the is-ness that is controlling the rain), and made a very light wiggle of the theta fingers connected to the storm, and the storm shifted so violently into the house and away from the house to the wiggle of my fingers and it shook the entire house violently.

I pulled back the theta fingers, it scared the hell out of me.. If I would have done it any harder than that, the entire house would come down on me.

I did the same thing again in an ice cream store in NYC New York, and shook the entire ice cream store.

Get out of the body and you ARE your higher self. Inside the body you are a hypnotized monkey.

jiminii

So, if OTs are not rehabilitated, this universe crumbles into itself with the hypnotized monkeys (that created it) inside. More or less? LRH was right, end of the road.

[cuitlahuac]

Allowing a postscript: @cuitlahuac ... Teal Swan is a beautiful being though I have watched her untarnished authenticity become co-opted by the mechanisms of control. I want to hear what you, the being, has discovered, what is your purpose? Damn Sci-fi-tology for its underlying meme (program) of arroganance. All the big words and definitions do NOT a Being make. Love you, ah! Love, love, love ... tell me about it please.

I put Teal Swan because of her explanation of the higher self or "river of consciousness". But the issues on homosexuality I think are in the wrong direction and might be a symptom.

About me? I didn't have those things clear until I cleared the definition of thetan or spirit in scientology. It took me several months to understand the word "spirit" and "awareness of awareness", because since a child, I had been dealing with mechanical and technological things.

[jiminii]

we are talking 2 different scenarios here. First run and second run. Second run we ARE coming here by choice to fix this period of time. First time happened 900 years ago when LRH was here. We are re-running that period of time.

Second run a lot of us are coming with the new orbs and are basically on whatever mission they chose or choose. I went into Scientology to prove my postulates alone could drive the statistics on the ones I picked and week I picked to highest ever. That means the highest they have ever gone and statistic was GI gross income. But Second big postulate was Statistics cross the boards, means every statistic of every department and division and all personal CROSS THE BOARDS ... that happened on the week I wrote it up to LRH I would do it.

but still at the time I had no clue yet about coming from future and why I had all this power and why my postulates worked over entire Organizations 4 different times. 1973 statistics up the wall cross the ceiling and down the other side, and I drew the statistics for the next 10 weeks before it happened and my statistic sheet was identical to what actually happened.

ASHO DAY 1979 the famous birthday game I was postulating statistics highest ever world wide. The only way I could prove it was me was after ASHO DAY my org won I then tested it by postulating every other day, first half week, on thursday morning before 2pm when all stats must come in for the week. and every time I postulated GI gross income doubled but didn't double on the days I didn't postulate.

So I quit because there would be no way I could prove it and no one would believe me.

FSO flag service org 1984 highest ever GI since 1979 birthday game on the week I wrote it up to LRH. Highest ever cross the boards, (every stat on base), and that happened on the week I picked and wrote it to LRH.

AOSH ANZO Australia 1986 three weeks in a row 3rd week cross the boards

by this time I couldn't get them to let me finish what I wanted and that was to get to LRH and have him audit me and he would have found out I had done all the upper OT levels he hasn't even released yet and that he would need to find out how to do the new OT levels we had learned in the future. I still didn't know I was from future until I listen to alex collier sept 11, 2012. But then it is too late.

If it all turned out this way, I only see one thing that is possible of why they would send me here and that is to prove and test these new OT levels.

So yes it is a lot different this second run and LRH was obstinate or he would have given me a chance and listened or was afraid I would take over his job. I had no interest in taking his job. I just wanted to deliver the OT levels and then go back to doing my music.

So I don't mind what anyone says about LRH because a lot of it must be true. The only thing I am grateful for is his opening up these OT levels so someone would find a workable system in the future. For the rest, I really don't care. I've seen so many that want to hammer anyone for anything and really not look at what came out of it.

I read the long post by realeyes in source mission to bob and I see she and a lot of others have these abilities too and i did stuff with Karelia that was totally amazing.

Look at what you are. Doesn't need to be Scientology or anything else. I used Scientology only because it had definitions I could never find in any dictionary that explained what I was experiencing.

I also didn't agree with the creation of Scientology the way it was done. It was not natural to me. I am sure without a doubt it is not like this in the future.

we just have to learn how to appreciate everyone for whatever abilities they do have and use to help us win this planet back to the people who live here.

jiminii