The truth of LRH L. Ron Hubbard

[jiminii]

another thing is most people don't know how bad it was. Government agencies dumping viruses from the sky over the Flag Land Base. Put everyone in bed and then didn't get well. I got sick too and stayed working. They forced everyone out of bed because they found the only way to kill the virus was to work your body.
there is more too like Ot's would tell me there are a lot of forces happening there. Yes there were. But I forced myself to keep my space out as big as I could and not be the effect of these forces. They were the most negative forces I had ever experienced in my life.

we were constantly being attacked by the towns people that would deliberately drive their cars into the gutter so they could shoot all the muddy water onto the people walking on the sidewalk.

If it was this bad just being there I have no idea how much torment LRH himself might have been going through who was not even at this base.

One person, and his technology against the cabal along with the many attempts on his life, one where the CIA came in and run a needle to his heart to give him a heart attack that almost killed him, but he survived. One man being chased by the most vicious people on the planet trying to create something that will help people.

if I had to face it myself, don't know if I could have survived it, even with all these abilities.

Whatever he did he did. But whatever anyone says about him could be true and could also be false, because this organization was being attacked by every agency in the US Government. The story of snow white, I know because I was there in Washington DC as volunteer. Snow white was a program we made to find out all the false data that was being put in by the government to try to destroy us. We got inside the secret service agencies and copied all the false reports they were putting out about scientology.

We were in the court and the Judge is asking Why they would be copying false reports made by these agencies if they were not true.
they attacked us with the largest FBI attack in the history of the FBI tearing down the doors with chainsaws when we had the keys to open the doors for them but they preferred to rip the doors open with chainsaws in Los Angeles and Washington DC.
it is found out that the false reports they manufactured about us is illegal and could shutdown their operations completely if the pubic knew it. These false reports went into every government agency in the USA including police stations, everything. It was their way to destroy what they thought was enemies of the state that they decide is enemies.

11 scientologist were sent to jail for stealing 12 dollars worth of xerox paper, (the copies they made of the false reports). We had the proof right there and a federal judge in Los angeles withdrew all the law suites they had against us and dropped the case. We didn't want the case dropped because we had the proof they had a conspiracy against us.

this is more than once this has happened by government agencies. It was found out they wanted to steal Scientology for themselves to be rich, top people at the highest levels of government were doing this.

So when someone comes up and tells me all this STUFF that has been put out on the internet by those who pay for it to discredit us, I don't believe any of it until I see it myself.

So people that would say this, getting the information as second hand information, is proof of NOTHING. IF YOU WEREN'T THERE THEN HOW CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE SAYS IT TRUE.

I saw this stuff happen myself because I was there. In the general warrant to rip our doors down with chainsaws they said to get anything marked "SNOW WHITE". But the FBI took everything. The judge asked the FBI what an advertising of a frizbi had to do with SNOW WHITE. They can't issue a general warrant because it is illegal and they have to say what they are looking for.

The judge said, "why are you ripping the doors down to get a bunch of papers that are false anyway???" They were trying to prevent their illegal use of destroying their enemies with flooding the government system with lies and we had the proof.

but they will pull all this into a supreme court judge and dismiss it if they are caught so the truth never gets out anyway.

I know I was there outside the court room with other Scientologists getting first hand data.

I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. So anyone tells anything negative about LRH or Scientology I do not have to believe it and won't until you can prove it with actual proof and not just someone who is angry with scientology and wants to destroy them

jiminii

[jiminii]

I also don't have any proof if CofS went rogue. I stay clear of it. I just don't want to say anything, yes or no because I know they had aliens take over the bodies of the children so when they grew up these sleeper children would take over the organization from inside.
I only see that DM, David Miscavige, is not releasing the upper OT levels. He has prevented people from having families at upper management and doesn't allow children there either. I don't see anything wrong with this if the place is now being managed by aliens that were sleeper children that took over the base when they grew up. I see him preventing any of the upper OT stuff from getting to the aliens in the future and I see families and children removed from International management. I can't prove he has gone rogue.

From the past the US Government attacked us by paying people to go to Scientology to do a course and then sue them for messing up their minds. They were doing this as a barrage all across the nation in all the Scientology orgs. We found this out and was going to prove it and another federal judge pulled all the cases into the supreme court in Los Angles and dropped them knowing we had the proof and they would have to pay the damage.

So anyone anywhere can be paid to do this like they are paid to come into any of these forums to try to destroy them. We know this is true from what I found out in PA.

So I have no way to prove who is being paid to do this or who is actively doing this working for some agency of the government. I know they do this.

So since I have no way to prove it, the only honest thing I can say is, "I DON"T KNOW". and just say what I DO KNOW because I was there.

I let it go. Why should I care. I already know what the outcome is and the truth will reveal itself in the future, or not.

I just KNOW. if anyone wants to obtain the highest levels of spiritual abilities they will eventually HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERYTHING THEY KNOW or they won't make it.

So it is your future. I don't care anyone's opinions, because it changes nothing. The future will change everything, and that I know.

That is why I don't give opinions of things I don't know for a fact, but I have been guilty of giving opinions I feel very convinced about. I might be right and I might be wrong.

I just do what I believe is the best I can think of at the time

jiminii

[Naga_Fireball]

Personally i think it is weird that a "religion" like cos in a place like USA expects freedom and impunity to operate and play God without being observed.

Especially when some perceive it accurately to be a rip off of CIA in very bad taste.

I bought battlefield earth this week Lol.

[cuitlahuac]

So anyone anywhere can be paid to do this like they are paid to come into any of these forums to try to destroy them. We know this is true from what I found out in PA.

jiminii

If I remember well, you said BR told you "it is his forum" and that you were going to cause his public to desert the forum. But in reality I think BR has his forum full of CIA plants ready to stir shit at every opportunity. You were the main theta influence there.

[cuitlahuac]

I also don't have any proof if CofS went rogue. I stay clear of it. I just don't want to say anything, yes or no because I know they had aliens take over the bodies of the children so when they grew up these sleeper children would take over the organization from inside.
I only see that DM, David Miscavige, is not releasing the upper OT levels. He has prevented people from having families at upper management and doesn't allow children there either. I don't see anything wrong with this if the place is now being managed by aliens that were sleeper children that took over the base when they grew up. I see him preventing any of the upper OT stuff from getting to the aliens in the future and I see families and children removed from International management. I can't prove he has gone rogue.

jiminii

According to the Ron's Org confidential data, in the "first run" of this period of time, the Illuminati taking over the CoS did the most gruesome things. More gruesome that those the CIA could do. They even prepared traps to activate in this period of time or any other period of time.

Now, in this new run of this period of time, I could only extrapolate they are going to come out with even more gruesome and elaborate tricks. So, I can only agree with you that that could be a reason for Chairman Miscavige to have put a total and complete stop to the "going up the bridge" that started in 1982. But I don't know for sure.

[cuitlahuac]

another thing is most people don't know how bad it was. Government agencies dumping viruses from the sky over the Flag Land Base. Put everyone in bed and then didn't get well. I got sick too and stayed working. They forced everyone out of bed because they found the only way to kill the virus was to work your body.
there is more too like Ot's would tell me there are a lot of forces happening there. Yes there were. But I forced myself to keep my space out as big as I could and not be the effect of these forces. They were the most negative forces I had ever experienced in my life.

jiminii

I remember the early 80's in Mexico. I was kidnapped in plain day at the buss stop by 3 federals (judiciales) on a car with plates from texas. They didn't identify themselves and people in the street got startled. I just smiled to people, waved to them and went into the car with a smile. This startled the feds and made them angry. I was asked (and hit with a gun) what did I do at the Dianetics Org. I told them I studied there and they let me down some blocks latter.

But the most gruesome thing is that there were people already at the org ready to cover this kind of stuff. I said to the Ethics Officer: "I was kidnapped by feds" and the ethics officer put in his report I was nuts.

Needles to say, the org people in the early 80's was not the people I had met in the late 70's.

I didn't experienced dark forces. What I experienced was invisible entities somehow screaming to me (at the org at night) that something very bad was going on.

[cuitlahuac]

TONE SCALE, under affinity we have the various emotional tones ranged from the highest to the lowest and these are, in part, serenity (the highest level), enthusiasm (as we proceeded downward towards the baser affinities), conservatism, boredom, antagonism, anger, covert hostility, fear, grief, apathy. This in Scn is called the tone scale.

when we separate emotion from stimulus, ie when we skip the cause and focus on the effect as translated by human emotion, aren't we missing a vital aspect of the process?

I don't argue with serenity being the highest, but enthusiasm? Even a dictator can be enthusiastic. Or my stalker, etc Lol.

In some situations doesnt it seem that grief is important? Like visiting a cemetery, in that context I'd value grief over enthusiasm, because,

It is Human

Of course there must not be a separation of emotion with stimulus. A vital aspect in here is the concept of ethics. What is correct from the viewpoint of the greatest good for the greatest number of people involved.

And of course a dictator can be enthusiastic, but that enthusiasm is within the framework of the dominant emotion, in this case Anger or No Compassion.

A british pedophile politician can feel very happy after killing some children, but we would find that happiness kind of very chilling, dark and heavy.

And of course grief is important when that is the correct emotion, like in visiting a cemetery. But you don't want to be in grief all the time. What one seeks to do is to be able to move freely in all those emotions.

[jiminii]

From what I see, I think LRH used Scientology to get all the data out of people from the millions they did audit. In both first and second run they could get enough data about cases to come up with a workable solution to all of it.

That's why I believe that creating new orbs with all the errors of design removed, we can start over again and see how the new design works out.

This puts everyone back in their original state they were in when we started this universe the first time. All pain and recordings gone. Everyone has a brand new start and can decide their fate again.

I think this is the only fair way to do it. Give everyone a new chance.

I can't prove this, but it seems like the most logical choice.

jiminii

[Christine]

Gulp ... "start all over again" isn't that what those black-ops shadow beings continuously try to force humanity into, ie: mind wiping and soul catching, etc.?

This is why I am so adamant about the dangers of LRH's arrogance, that by collecting enough "data" and manipulating that data he and sci-fi-tology could "heal" humanity. Seems to be the EXACT same mechanism and ideology that the Technocrats (predatory AI enhanced bugs) are currently trying with us hue-mans. And why, just answer, why did he call auditing with an e-meter, OT levels and all that fanfare "The Tech"? ... If you think that type of mind can find a solution you have IMHO missed the Heart and Core of Sourcing our Self, completing the Fools journey and returning Home with WISDOM, ie: having lived through the barbarities, confronted and owning your darkside (Everyone has one) ... then it may be possible with enough OT powered by Heart and Star energy to move the mass of humanity.

Logic is finite, a fools mission, you can't fly with one wing.



Love you jiminii ... your innocence is beautiful. Have you ever considered and this goes for anyone who ever walked into an org (any org) that you were implanted? They do that, and your "recall" is more complete than I remember it was back in the PA days.

From what I see, I think LRH used Scientology to get all the data out of people from the millions they did audit. In both first and second run they could get enough data about cases to come up with a workable solution to all of it.

That's why I believe that creating new orbs with all the errors of design removed, we can start over again and see how the new design works out.

This puts everyone back in their original state they were in when we started this universe the first time. All pain and recordings gone. Everyone has a brand new start and can decide their fate again.

I think this is the only fair way to do it. Give everyone a new chance.

I can't prove this, but it seems like the most logical choice.

jiminii

[jiminii]

the reason me and cuitlahuac popped over here on this was because I was reading something he popped up from "return of the Jedi" in source mission on PA and I started reading return of the jedi and found this part where realeyes is talking to Bob in a long post of hers what was mind boggling.

I was hopping I could find Realeyes to help us out on this because I could see she is sitting so far above all of it and is able to see all layers and levels below it something like me, Ron Bible, Karelia are operating at and she is able to see the mechanics and do something with it.

She has nothing to do with Scientology and Karelia is also so fantastic at what I've been able to do with her that we wanted to find out more from Realeyes but don't know if she is here or not. I can talk to Karelia on Skype so I can see lots of things from her.

I know I am using stuff written from LRH and that's not what we meant to do. I am thinking there are a lot of entities from many different realities with amazing abilities and they picked whatever they picked when they got here to use to operate somehow with and this Realeyes can tell who has and who hasn't reached the levels they say they have.

so she KNOWS. So we want to find out where they learned this and I am in India with no clue where to go to study any of this to see if it will get me operating.

to me Sclentology is basically handling CASE. This means they are handling the people that are not free of the body mechanics. We don't get into the REAL OT stuff and that is OPERATING as an OT Being outside of body DOING OT stuff that they can do spontaneous. I don't see anyone in Scientology doing anything spontaneous if they need a meter to locate the problem first.

I and cuitlahuac are interested in finding those that KNOW and learned how to DO OT stuff without any mechanical means to help them.

most of my stuff starts anywhere from instantaneous to a few days long like with creating weather, but I have created a huge black storm in a totally clear blue sky in the day in Thailand and turned it black with heavy rain in less than 30 seconds the whole sky is totally black with heavy rain.

these people like Realeyes and Karelia can do this stuff too and didn't get any of it from Scientology. That is what we want to find out. If they have states we could call Native State means Total Knowingness and also able to operate with it and what is their reality and what did they study.

Can't say anything about LRH without proof since the entire US government has been flooding every agency like food and drug, (FDA), and military, political .. you name it they flooded it all with lies they manufactured. So we don't know what is true or not true on the internet about Scientology. I only know what I experienced and saw myself. So i am not interested in playing with what is true or not true about Scientology.

we, me and cuitlahuac want to see other realities of others who learned how to do stuff in the godlike abilities area. That is what we want to know. We want to know who is from where ever and the gifts they have and how are they contributing to getting this planet safe again.

that means anyone anywhere whether it is this time period or they come from the future or what.

Who else is putting tech out that gets people to activate godlike abilities. Can we talk about that????


jiminii