Anders wrote:

Phil wrote:Isn’t that empowering the matrix (accepting lies)?

But the entire world at the moment is dominated by the Matrix. And I'm not sure yet whether we should aim for working with the Matrix to transform it or to do a slow unplug from the whole construct and connect to Source directly or via Gaia/Sofia consciousness.

One or the other? A choice ?

Anders wrote:But a huge change for myself is that I'm now examining the possibility that a technological singularity might be the wrong way to go. Very interesting possibility and also very confusing for me at the moment.

That's more like it.

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Pris wrote:[

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQfzwFloVqA

Right as in right or as in yeah, right? The members of the early tribes were primitive people. Don't get me wrong, they were only primitive compared to us because of the knowledge we have today, which by the way in many cases is disinfo and blatant diversions. The reason why there could be no love, light and harmony among those people is because they were a result of brutish survival of the fittest evolution. And if the baboon type societies would have been a successful strategy, we humans would not have had a chance. Our bodies are not as tough as many of the animals. So rules served a real beneficial purpose by making it possible for humans to organize in more efficient ways than animals.

And the rest of our history is a consequence of that early development. Brutish in, brutish out. With a foundation of struggle for survival the expected result is the world we have today in the form of the real Matrix. One good thing with this understanding is that we can blame the Matrix instead of blaming people! We can accept all people, just as Jesus Christ said. I'm not a religious person in the dogmatic sense but there are some impressive texts in the Bible, such as:

"You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." -- Matthew 5:43-48

I've been noticing something about technology, in general that adds another sort of 'dimension' for consideration.

Throughout the whole spectrum of technology from banging stones together to about the middle of the 20th century, all technology was effectively an effort amplifier.

Something happened around half way through the 20th century that changed the fundamental impact of technology on all of us.

I liken it to electronic circuit analogies. An amplifier takes an input signal and gives out a larger facsimilie of that input signal. An oscillator is an amplifier with it's output fed straight back into it's input, setting up a "loop". ( it's called positive feedback ).

Once the loop has been setup, the circuit no longer needs an input signal from elsewhere.

The loop can be manipulated quite a lot. Electric guitarists who make their instuments squeel so creatively while they are feeding back through the speakers, are a good example of how creative it's possible to be with feedback loops.

My point here is, We seem to now be in a situation where the technology around us is in oscillation, and the creativity manipulating it is no longer about our external input signal. The circuits are being manipulated from a different place. Sort of like a keyboard synthesizer where the key presses trigger the oscilators and the 'effects' knobs shape the feedback characteristics of the circuit, which morphs the sound coming to our ears.

I could write a lot with that analogy but if you don't see it, it's pointless, and if you do, I've already said enough.

I liken technology to he physical manifestation of an idea. Transforming the environment into an object that carries out our will.

We find ourself in a reality that is the consequence of the separation from the responsibility and understanding of the creation of it, and especially the chosen uses for it.

This divide in our relationship between us and the external is at the heart of a lot of our problems, I think

While we are weaving threads, one that shouldn't be left out; is just how powerful the rite use of our imaginations is. Why else would the control grid Matrix make so much effort to corral us into their mind? A lot has been said on this elsewhere. My lament which can turn into a visceral outpouring at times is that we talk, talk and don't be, Be.

We all are experiencers of shifting realities, I for one am experiencing a subtle powerful inner shift right now. Very disconcerting to the fabric of my reality. Darn if I am not walking on broken glass, shattering the Matrix isn't for the faint of heart. It is one thing to sit in lofty mental constructs and come to some brilliant and astounding conclusions, I don't dismiss or diminish the intellect. However what She wants to Know is what are you actualizing in your own lives to break free?

The Matrix will stand for those that choose it, and there will be those who are ready to break free. Freedom and Truth exact a price, one well worth it if you were to ask me. I quote a snippet from a chat that I find appropriate for what I am trying to say.

"As women we experience our being intensely through the body and it's hormonal tides… we are attuned by birthrite to the non-vocal language of being… no wonder we have an intelligence of the emotional/bio'aspect different from males..."

There is a powerstore of feminine energy on ee, it virtually crackles with it. Ground your energy into action, soon nothing else will count.

I haven't finished listening to this yet but found the first part to be most on point with this thread. From Mel Fabergas' Veritas show last night. Download is available until 29 January.

https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/38 ... 215/df90fa

David Livingstone Interview

Transhumanism is a recent movement that extols man's right to shape his own evolution, by maximizing the use of scientific technologies, to enhance human physical and intellectual potential. While the name is new, the idea has long been a popular theme of science fiction, featured in such films as 2001 Space Odyssey, Bade Runner, the Terminator series, and more recently, The Matrix, Limitless, Her and Transcendence.

However, as its adherents hint at in their own publications, transhumanism is an occult project, rooted in Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry, and derived from the Kabbalah, which asserts that humanity is evolving intellectually, towards a point in time when man will become God. Modeled on the medieval legend of the Golem and Frankenstein, they believe man will be able to create life itself, in the form of living machines, or artificial intelligence.

Spearheaded by the Cybernetics Group, the project resulted in both the development of the modern computer and MK-Ultra, the CIA's "mind-control" program. MK-Ultra promoted the "mind-expanding" potential of psychedelic drugs, to shape the counterculture of the 1960s, based on the notion that the shamans of ancient times used psychoactive substances, equated with the "apple" of the Tree of Knowledge.

And, as revealed in the movie Lucy, through the use of "smart drugs," and what transhumanists call "mind uploading," man will be able to merge with the Internet, which is envisioned as the end-point of Kabbalistic evolution, the formation of a collective consciousness, or Global Brain. That awaited moment is what Ray Kurzweil, a director of engineering at Google, refers to as The Singularly. By accumulating the total of human knowledge, and providing access to every aspect of human activity, the Internet will supposedly achieve omniscience, becoming the "God" of occultism, or the Masonic All-Seeing Eye of the reverse side of the American dollar bill.


B i o

David Livingstone has been researching the hidden aspects of history for the last 25 years, resulting in the writing of three books. David's approach to history is to dare to consider those areas often dismissed by scholars as the subject of cranks, but to investigate these matters with the utmost scholarly rigor. The results are works that expose many neglected areas of history, but resist the temptation to hasty generalizations, and therefore offer a more sober penetrating treatments.

I don't doubt that "soon nothing else will count", Christine.

The process, and there IS a process, of getting there is partly about understanding.

Even if the "pull" towards where you see us going is energetic or mysterious ( as yet ), there is also a release from the matrix that allowes that pull to succeed, in my opinion. That release, I think, comes through understanding the hooks that are in us.

I'm the guy that was recently banging on about the mental constructs etc etc, but I still see the release processes from it as a concious reversal of the mental tangles we are in. Yes the pull is there too, and a very good thing it is.

I skimmed the posts in this thread. And may return for a proper reading.
For now it seems to assume an awful lot. It assumes early tribes were "primitive" witch makes me wonder. What exactly constitutes "primitive" The following assumptions with regard to establishing LAW seems logical, but we cannot be sure. As numbers of people were relatively small, and resources still abundant. I am more likely to accept that and establishing of "rules" would have been made from considerations we have no clue of knowing from.

Like tribes of baboons in the deep forests having a rather mild, even friendly overall demeanor as opposed to tribes that have been led to the cities and garbage sites, where in tribe violence and stress seems way more prevalent.

Also the analogy with the Matrix has me wondering lately. If we take the matrix as a program to keep us enslaved from witch we can escape like in the movie. I see an inconsistency with the "real" experience of life. Instead of stepping out of the matrix or being saved from the machines that keep you in the matrix. Those beings that seem to be free, are still very much within the matrix dream until they physically die.. Which means that over here so to speak we need to find ways to be free from within the matrix instead of stepping out of it all together like Neo did. He unhooked and was in "reality" whereas we are always in reality although we make the wrong conclusions..

I have come to belief those 2 differences are so huge that I cannot help but disregard the matrix image as the next false image that does not lead to freedom, but keeps us as much enslaved as courthouses and morgages do.

With Love
Eelco

Eelco wrote: Like tribes of baboons in the deep forests having a rather mild, even friendly overall demeanor as opposed to tribes that have been led to the cities and garbage sites, where in tribe violence and stress seems way more prevalent.

Here Robert Sapolsky talks about how the violence of primates is similar to humans [warning: nasty picture of killed baboon] (from about 11 minutes):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ygk8CLHSY&t=11m[/youtube]

Also the analogy with the Matrix has me wondering lately. If we take the matrix as a program to keep us enslaved from witch we can escape like in the movie. I see an inconsistency with the "real" experience of life. Instead of stepping out of the matrix or being saved from the machines that keep you in the matrix. Those beings that seem to be free, are still very much within the matrix dream until they physically die.. Which means that over here so to speak we need to find ways to be free from within the matrix instead of stepping out of it all together like Neo did. He unhooked and was in "reality" whereas we are always in reality although we make the wrong conclusions..

Of course the Matrix movie is fiction, but I think it is very similar to our reality. The OP quote is in fact exactly a description of the real Matrix: “The Matrix is everywhere. … when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes.”

Our whole human civilization is utterly dominated by the rules that have evolved throughout history. I call those rules the real Matrix. It's a natural development yet it's also something that is meant to be transcended I propose. The real matrix is a necessary evolutionary stage for new civilizations to allow them to develop on their own in unique and novel ways. Nature abhors clones, and if we humans would have been given advanced knowledge and technology from an extraterrestrial civilization thousands of years ago, we would just have become a clone/copy of that more advanced civilization.

One thing I'm still unsure about is if the real Matrix is something we need to completely unplug from or to gradually modify. So you could be correct that unplugging from the Matrix is a misleading analogy for the real Matrix. But it may also be that we actually need to unplug from the whole 'Matrix' constructs of our own minds. That we need to move into an entirely new level of human evolution, into a Gaia/Sophia consciousness where we become a true multi-multi-cellular organism, similar to what Bruce Lipton has described:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kHEcVNlcMQ[/youtube]

This is an interesting tipping point for a discussion to arrive at, me thinks.

The last two posts have basically assumed that there is no Matrix in reality, as it were. I tend to make that assumption myself too. But, We cannot completely rule out the notion that this really is a Matrix!

On fiction; I'm constantly amazed and semi horrified by the escalating level of references to fiction in what otherwise passes itself off as serious discussion.

I may have a biased opinion on this, but, I seem to have seen it grow out of what's generally called the New Age movement. It's now so prevalent, though, that I even hear so called scientists doing it.

We must rigorously deconstruct all aspects of fictional creativity before we even think about mapping it into our reality. I say this because fiction writers have used the lowest possible excuses for their art all throughout history, and many have even played sidestepping tricks of the intellect with their accounts of how and why they do what they do. I certainly don't feel safe making trendy assumptions built upon any of it ( not even Shakespear or whoever ) to creat our future reality.