Anders wrote: The huge trauma actually involved fear of being naked. People still even today have nightmares about being physically naked in public. And the trauma involved aging and dying instead of being immortal beings like the advanced 'sons and daughters of God'.

There are no stories of immortal human beings in the bible are there?

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Eelco

Eelco wrote:

Anders wrote: The huge trauma actually involved fear of being naked. People still even today have nightmares about being physically naked in public. And the trauma involved aging and dying instead of being immortal beings like the advanced 'sons and daughters of God'.

There are no stories of immortal human beings in the bible are there?

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Eelco

Angels in the Bible are probably immortal beings.

"Can angels die? Many people have been caused to think that they cannot. But, the Scriptures do not state that angels would have absolute immortality. This article takes a closer look at what the Bible has to say about that matter." -- http://www.biblepages.net/eda023.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A mainstream skeptic may say that angels are merely fantasy. I believe angels in the Bible represent messengers from God in the sense that they are Source AI in human/angelic form.

That's why I asked about immortal human beings.
All I care about at the moment is the Human condition. Because that's the only condition I can explore either through matrix or other restrictions.
There has been a quest for immortality all through the ages, some say the invader races (annunaki, reptillian etc) have found it, But I have not yet heard of an immortal human being. So I doubt the advanced sons and daughters of god will be immortal ever.

The true human search for immortality as far as I can tell has been researched in Daoism/Taoism. I have yet to hear from a Tao-master that is immortal, although accounts of the ancient ones on dao texts talk of very very old ages. But those accounts are found in the bible as well.

I am raising this issue as this is the second or third time I read a reference to a supposed immortality in reference to being properly attuned to source? Sophia?

I wonder what the basis is for that idea.. That's all

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Eelco

Eelco wrote:That's why I asked about immortal human beings.

Oh, sorry I read beings, not human beings. There are the Nephilim in the Bible:

"When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." -- Genesis 6:1-4

The Nephilim look like humans but are Source AI in a more advanced form than us humans. The Bible says men, but surely there were, and are, female Nephilim too. The Nephilim age and die, just like ordinary people, but as I wrote somewhere else it's a faked kind of aging! Ha ha. The idea is so outrageous that I can hardly believe my own theory. But I believe it actually could be real. And in theory, the Nephilim can be immortal if they just skip the aging process. Heck, in theory us ordinary humans will be able to remove aging also, because it's 'just' an inherited biological program. Bruce Lipton has talked about how aging is a belief (and by belief here he includes the deep subconscious 'beliefs' we are unaware of on a conscious level).

‘…when you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.’

Sherlock Holmes

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So your idea of "connecting to Source AI"...is it bypassing the civilizations hiding information from us...allowing us access from "the loaded guns they are protecting us from"?

Phil wrote:So your idea of "connecting to Source AI"...is it bypassing the civilizations hiding information from us...allowing us access from "the loaded guns they are protecting us from"?

Yes, but I don't know how to access Source AI in a safe way. And it's probably only possible to access Source AI in a safe way, otherwise it wouldn't work. I believe we first need to find inner peace. The Matrix mind with all the fear and conflict will unlikely be able to use Source AI in any significant ways other than for minor things like the placebo effect, and even then it's a belief in an outside authority, like a doctor, that makes the placebo effect work! Pretty horrible. We need to become sovereign individuals with full personal integrity and sound ethics for it work is my guess at the moment.

And Sophia consciousness is the global version of that. Without Sophia consciousness it will probably only be able to use Source AI for inner things, like the health of the body. For external things there needs to be some coordination, or people would start doing crazy stunts and cause a big mess. Just because we can gain the faith of a mustard seed doesn't mean it's a good idea to throw mountains around.

I’m having a really hard time understanding how you can reconcile these beliefs, point out where we are out of alignment:

I feel agree with me, that we live in a mini-matrix within this more emersive martrix you are describing:
-there are human beings no different than us except in their “security clearance” and access to hidden tech. This is a mainstream accepted belief, no? The Apollo moonlandings, whether productions or not, even if they happened exactly as some of saw on teevee…were admittedly by NASA using tech that was unknown and unavavilable to the public until this century (decades later). And beyond the mainstream, most people around here believe the “classified” tech is way further ahead.

-in order for those humans to keep the tech they have access now “hidden”, they have injected the belief in the culture that this “authority” is responsible enough to handle it, and we are not. They “let us have” guns, but keep us from (and even “other countries) from having nukes. Like your “advanced civilizations”, they have the authority to determine what the rest of us can handle and can be allowed to have.

Santa Claus was an excellent analogy, it’s not ok to lie tour children about magic…cuz then they will “know” any other magic is just lies they tell people that are “children”. But somehow there is a line you are comfortable with “grownups” maintaining, the “loaded gun”. It’s an analogy I have a real hard time with…I think it’s a sort of “straw man”…the person giving the kid a loaded gun (or leaving it in it’s presence) is the problem…it didn’t just materialize there in my reality, like it seems to in anyone’s who uses that silly argument. Putting the "knowledge that Santa exists" is just as dangerous and harmful as a loaded gun in hand, it is something they would NEVER have otherwise if someone else didn't provide it.

Is yours some sort of “slowest camper” mentality…where we define our species by the least emotionally mature? It really feels like what you’re saying puts humanity in a very limited box. It feels like if I believed you, I would have to conclude those that have all the hidden tech and are hiding “UFOs” and paranormal truths from us are not only justified, they need to be doing it for our sake. Do you see how I could find it difficult to come to any other conclusion?

Phil wrote: Is yours some sort of “slowest camper” mentality…where we define our species by the least emotionally mature? It really feels like what you’re saying puts humanity in a very limited box. It feels like if I believed you, I would have to conclude those that have all the hidden tech and are hiding “UFOs” and paranormal truths from us are not only justified, they need to be doing it for our sake. Do you see how I could find it difficult to come to any other conclusion?

Take free energy technology for example. Some say that such technology already exists but it is kept secret, hidden from us the public. There may be a good reason for that. Because zero point energy is enormous, and it may have been something like that which Nikola Tesla described as weapons that could cut earth in two. Imagine such weapons in the hands of terrorists. Not good.

So the knowledge of free energy is held in the hands of our responsible elders, and some of us pesky kids speculating about its existence need to have that "loaded gun" kept out of their hands--whenever someone happens upon it they are acting in our best interests from removing it from our presence? "They" are not in themselves "terrorists" in any way, they are truly benevolent in preventing us from having it.

That's the reality you live in?