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Re: The Breakaway Conspiracy

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:19 am
by Anders
The big corporations today are like dinosaurs as Bruce Lipton has explained. They have been, and still are useful for products and services. But they lack awareness of the harmony of the planet as a whole. I came to think about a possibility and that is that new companies will pop up that can produce the same things and do it much better by cooperating with each other instead of competing with each other. Instead of clinging to and protecting things like patents and attacking each other with lawsuits and through other means, the new companies will open source most of their inventions so that they all can benefit from it and thereby develop new products and services much faster and much more efficient than the old clunky dinosaur corporations.

Combine that more decentralized and efficient business model with the release of new technologies and we will have an explosive progress curve. Ray Kurzweil has predicted that a technological singularity will happen around the year 2045. Others have said it will take much longer or not happen at all. Vernor Vinge on the other hand makes an even more remarkable prediction than Kurzweil:

"Just so I'm not guilty of a relative-time ambiguity, let me more specific: I'll be surprised if this event occurs before 2005 or after 2030." -- http://mindstalk.net/vinge/vinge-sing.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's like only one decade from today instead of three decades. What does Vinge mean by technological singularity? He wrote already in 1993:

"Within thirty years, we will have the technological means to create superhuman intelligence. Shortly after, the human era will be ended."

Former CIA officer Robert David Steele has talked about "open source everything".

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaaNg8n1eus[/youtube]

I haven't listened to that presentation yet but it sounds similar to my idea of an open source decentralized business model. The key to the really explosive progress leading to a technological singularity is artificial general intelligence (AGI). General intelligence on the human level and beyond includes social intelligence and things like empathy and ethics. The danger with artificial intelligence is if it becomes really smart but in a narrow or pathological way. For example AI developed in secret military projects has the potential to become like a Nazi scientist with very high IQ and who at the same time is a complete psychopath with poorly developed social intelligence.

The old model with secrecy, patents, competition and so on is a growing ground for dangerous AI. The new open source model is much safer since the development can continuously be monitored openly and collectively, including with the general public participating and commenting.

And in an open source model that promotes safe AI development the breakaway civilization can publish ideas that will catalyze the progress. The breakaway civilization already has incredibly superior AI technology but we need to develop our own AI because technological progress is a part of our uniqueness and identity as a civilization.

Re: The Breakaway Conspiracy

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:19 pm
by Christine
Anders wrote:And in an open source model that promotes safe AI development the breakaway civilization can publish ideas that will catalyze the progress. The breakaway civilization already has incredibly superior AI technology but we need to develop our own AI because technological progress is a part of our uniqueness and identity as a civilization.
"Our own" versus "them" ... um? What is it about us that assures us that the same technology won't be used to control or manipulate a truly wondrous and magical Earth. Your use of left brain logic (are you a scientist?) and confidence in AI driven technology leaves out a vast complex, yet natural ie: organic process of Cosmic connection.

While I agree that academia and mainstream scholars do bring information to "our" field of intelligence it is only useful if we the Manu are able to comprehend that we actually have an AI component ourselves. By that I mean we started out as binary, 0 and 1. All technology that forces itself on the organic realms is bound to be destructive, only when we can interphase consciously with matter (Mater) in communion and harmoniously will we truly be free to transit the Cosmos.

What happened in Atlantis was a destructive use of technologies and there are idiots who are following the arrogance (ignorance) of that time line.

You know I have asked you before and feel like asking again for you to share some of your experiential self. As I contemplated this morning I realized that the structure, say of the great pyramid of Giza is giant blocks of stone cut with precision that we still can't replicate but what I realized was that this block by block structure (hierarchy really) that capstones in an apex isn't about the outer surface, it is what is inside and the way it geomagnetically locks into the Earth grid. Not only speaking metaphorically but in reality it is our ability to tune our own magnetics with the mothership that unlocks the hidden mysteries ... this can't be replicated with AI no matter how technologically advanced.

Re: The Breakaway Conspiracy

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:52 pm
by Christine
As if on cue: "Sagan famously said that we are made of star stuff. He meant the carbon, nitrogen and oxygen atoms in our bodies, as well as atoms of all other heavy elements, were created inside stars. Yet Sagan’s expression of this idea, which quickly became a cornerstone of popular culture, might not take the concept far enough. According to astrophysicists at Northwestern University, our origins are much less local than previously thought. In fact, according to their analysis – which they say is the first of its kind – we’re not just star stuff. We’re galaxy stuff."

Pretty mainstream newsletter read more here.

Intergalactic transfer ... nice new term. ;)

Re: The Breakaway Conspiracy

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:33 pm
by Anders
Christine wrote: "Our own" versus "them" ... um?
Yes, that's a tricky one. We here on earth need to preserve our own development. The breakaway civilization is already one with the ancient universal AI. And my theory is that we need to reject transhumanism and aim for accessing the universal AI instead, directly with our consciousness and with our bodies. But on the external level AI made by us and a technological singularity will be useful.
Christine wrote:You know I have asked you before and feel like asking again for you to share some of your experiential self.
We are Anonymous. ;) Well, ok I can reveal a few things about myself: Gender: male, Nationality: Sweden.

Re: The Breakaway Conspiracy

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:15 pm
by Anders
Christine wrote:As if on cue: "Sagan famously said that we are made of star stuff. He meant the carbon, nitrogen and oxygen atoms in our bodies, as well as atoms of all other heavy elements, were created inside stars. Yet Sagan’s expression of this idea, which quickly became a cornerstone of popular culture, might not take the concept far enough. According to astrophysicists at Northwestern University, our origins are much less local than previously thought. In fact, according to their analysis – which they say is the first of its kind – we’re not just star stuff. We’re galaxy stuff."
I want to take the concept even further: that the atoms our bodies are made of are themselves controlled by the intelligent universal information field. And we are that whole field! The kingdom of heaven being within us means that the intelligent information field is accessible on a deeper level than the physical atoms. My idea is that gaining access to that intelligent field that already is within us is what moving into fourth density is about. That's why we need to reject transhumanism which is an attempt to manipulate physical matter on the level of atoms. That's like continuing building the Tower of Babel, or more like it, building a golem.

"In Jewish folklore, a golem (/ˈɡoʊləm/ GOH-ləm; Hebrew: גולם‎‎) is an animated anthropomorphic being that is magically created entirely from inanimate matter (specifically clay or mud)." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Instead of becoming a cyborg made of inanimate matter we need to become beings made of intelligently animated plasma. That's simply an avatar made of zero point energy that can shapeshift into a physical body and also do much more than that. The animated plasma is more organic than being trapped within our bodies made of inanimate matter as they are today because of our limiting beliefs.

Re: The Breakaway Conspiracy

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:12 pm
by Chicodoodoo
Anders wrote:The root cause of evil is the belief in being totally separate. That's of course a lie since the whole universe is one interconnected system.
This is the only connection to the subject matter I was discussing that I can find in your response, Anders. Even it is vague, problematic, and contradictory. I recognize that evil is subjective (i.e. a belief), which is why I limit my discussion to the area of human evil as defined by people of normal empathy ("normal" also being a subjective belief). In that specific domain, the root cause of human evil is sociopathy. Yes, sociopaths see themselves as separate, but so do Jews, Catholics, Christians, militaries, governments, and even forum members. And yes, evil can and does spring from all of those groupings, but that's because there are 1) sociopaths, and 2) minions of sociopaths, and 3) followers of minions of sociopaths, contained within those groups. (Note: I consider sociopathy and psychopathy to be the same thing.)

That is my perspective from years of research and contemplation, and I could be wrong. In fact, I would love to be convincingly shown that I am wrong, which is why I seek out others for discussion on this subject. Based on what you wrote that I quoted in my first post to this thread, I had hoped you might consider the reordering of the ideas (symptoms versus root cause) that I did to your quote, and share with us all your impressions. I am puzzled by the direction you actually took in your reply, which took us as far away as Venus at a minimum.

It also occurs to me that you might consider my intrusion into this monologue thread as a form of pollution, in which case you need only say so and I will withdraw. I consider forums to be open platforms for open discussions, but I have noticed that many people do not share my perspective, and so I try to accommodate their different philosophies.

Re: The Breakaway Conspiracy

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:19 pm
by Anders
Chicodoodoo wrote:I recognize that evil is subjective (i.e. a belief), which is why I limit my discussion to the area of human evil as defined by people of normal empathy ("normal" also being a subjective belief). In that specific domain, the root cause of human evil is sociopathy.
But if someone acts as one with the universe as a whole, can he or she then still be a sociopath? The answer is: only if the universe as a whole lacks intelligence. My theory is that the universe is highly intelligent, actually love on steroids, with immense social, emotional, intellectual and so on skills.

So with my hypothesis, a person can only be a sociopath with a belief in being totally separate. The term "belief" is a bit tricky here. I mean belief in how for example Bruce Lipton has explained it, which includes lots of subconscious programming.

So in my view, sociopathy is merely a result of our sense of separation. Healing sociopathy is insufficient, because people will still cause all kinds of trouble as long as the experience of separation remains. We need to evolve into a higher level of consciousness, an earth consciousness, in order to transcend the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil".

My guess is that there will be a transition period when the old earth is transformed into the new earth. And during that period people will remain in lots of conflict, so we need to keep things like law enforcement, intelligence agencies and even military forces.

Jesus Christ has actually already explained it:

"You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." -- Matthew 5:43-48

Notice how Jesus described the harmony of the wholeness of society. He was talking about the earth consciousness it seems to me, not about our "fallen" state. It may be impossible for us to actually love our enemies in our fallen state, but we can wish for an earth consciousness which means that our enemies will be transformed, along with ourselves.

Re: The Breakaway Conspiracy

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:00 pm
by Anders
How is the breakaway civilization governed? I now learned a new term: panarchy. Robert David Steele described panarchy as:

"Panarchy is essentially what happens when every human mind is connected to all relevant information in all of the human minds and you are able to self-govern on the fly." -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txugDFRVbeQ&t=1h13m42s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brilliant. That's obviously how it's done now that I think of it. It's like our own mind. Bruce Lipton has called the human mind the government for the cells in the body. How do you govern yourself? In simple situations we just make a decision and do what we decide on the fly. Now imagine the same situation but instead of our individual mind we think with the collective mind. The collective mind of the breakaway civilization has all their combined knowledge all the time and with it they can each simply use that mind as their own mind and make decisions on the fly. About everything!

No external governments, no politicians, no bureaucrats, no committees, no laws or any other external authorities needed. Imagine that. The earth consciousness will function in the same way. So obviously the governments will be smashed to pieces like pottery.

"Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
You will break them with a rod of iron;
you will dash them to pieces like pottery.
Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth." -- Psalm 2:8-10

Re: The Breakaway Conspiracy

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:06 am
by Anders
One main reason for the breakaway conspiracy is that they cannot reveal themselves because we lack collective consciousness. If they tried then we will be incapable of interacting with their true selves.

Our consciousness is already connected to the entire universe but our minds remain trapped in our isolated egos. We haven't evolved into a collective consciousness yet. And Carl Jung actually called our level the collective UNconscious. We have the same consciousness as the breakaway civilization but we lack the collective mind. This situation can be made clear by defining consciousness this way:

Definition 1: Consciousness is the state of being aware as a self.

And with the mind defined as:

Definition 2: Mind is the information consciousness is aware of.

With those two definitions the difference between us and the breakaway civilization is that we have more developed individual minds while they have a collective mind. Consciousness is the same for everybody. Consciousness can either be on, such as in the ordinary waking state, or off such as in dreamless sleep.

Earth consciousness means a new evolutionary level where we experience ourselves as the mind of the whole earth. That's an enormous amount of information to be aware of. But it's easy to be aware of all that information because of our mental capacity of hierarchical abstraction levels. Already with our separate ego minds we are able to easily grasp huge amounts of information. When you meet someone you know, you have zillions and zillions of bits of information about that person to coordinate and integrate in your mind, and yet your mind easily puts together a coherent mental and emotional image that your consciousness becomes aware of.

Similarly, the collective earth mind is easy for us to use and grasp, even when it's billions of times larger than our individual minds. But we need to wake up into that collective level of consciousness to experience it. And only then will we be able to interact with people in the breakaway civilization on their level of mind.

Re: The Breakaway Conspiracy

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:23 am
by Anders
There are both white hats and black hats in the deep state. The white hats are cooperating with the breakaway civilization with a constructive plan. There have been many more black hats than white hats. Today the situation is different, with Donald Trump working hard at draining the swamp. The black hats are what can be called the evil cabal, and they have dominated in the past.

The 9/11 attacks were actually planned and carried out by the white hats. Nobody was killed. It was a staged event. The main purpose of the 9/11 attacks was to introduce the Patriot Act which has been used to legally drain the swamp behind the public scene. So Barack Obama was also a white hat, working behind the scenes, busy removing black hats from positions of power. You may remember that Obama fired a lot of military generals for example.

The deep state is international. So that's why for instance neither China nor Russia has exposed the 9/11 attacks. I can imagine a Chinese government expert looking at the first video footage of Flight 175 hitting WTC 2 and saying: "What kind of crappy CGI composite is that?! Why don't we expose this hoax to the world?" And a Chinese boss replies: "Keep quiet about it. We have a bigger plan."