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Re: Have you seen this

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:20 pm
by Naga_Fireball
Have been wanting to share this excerpt with you friends.

"Starhawk works at Reclaiming, a feminist collective in San Francisco of which she was a cofounder, and which offers classes, workshops and public rituals in the Goddess tradition. She has taught at several Bay Area colleges. From 1993 to 1996 she was a lecturer at the Institute for Culture and Creation Spirituality at Holy Names College in Oakland, run by Dominican priest Matthew Fox. In 1988, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger attempted to have her ousted from the faculty as part of the silencing of Fox for his nonconformist views on creation spirituality. "


Dont give up

PUBLIC NOTICE - What I MUST SAY

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:43 pm
by Christine
"There are only two mistakes one can make on along the road to truth, not going all the way and not starting."

~ Buddha


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On the concept of ownership. (written on January 18th, 2015 and never posted on PA)

I am called to address this subject on Avalon. Whether we consciously agree to it or not the Project Avalon forum has an owner. To many he is seen to be a benevolent ruler and by others perceived to be an adversary, and I am sure all manner of images in between. One might be wise to review inside themselves what they are projecting onto him, a valuable study for Selfhood.

I go so far as to state that it is a burden for anyone to bear, others projections always carry weight, a mass and often many expectations.

Let me state that I honored the founder of Avalon, through me still flows gratitude. I know many of the dear souls on the (Avalon) forum feel this too. It was his strength that brought this space together, his fortitude in the face of battles with the enemy that gave him the courage to place the staff in the ground and declare:

"Working ceaselessly together for the freedom of ALL BEINGS".

For myself that was a herald, the truth will set you free. So many came, drawn to Avalon and what she represented. So I ask(ed) Are the WE not Avalon? Are not the True Hearted souls gathered here the very ones who are Avalon.

So what of ownership? What of politics? It is has been declared that Bill Ryan is the owner of the forum and with that declaration my heart sinks, so I dive inside my self to find out why. After careful analysis and entering into deepened states of awareness I have emerged with the following point of view - that Bill Ryan represents the staff he planted on the high ground. And we who participate in the forum (the members) are in reality Avalon along with him. In this respect, he is but one of us.

Avalon has often been alluded to as a ship, one that set a course for many to follow. My questions revolve around what allegiances does this ship ask in return? It appears that political correctness has crept in and taken hold, the approved and the disapproved are named. One is, by surreptitious manner, asked to pledge allegiance to a single person's point of view which in my most humble and passionate opinion is folly. In other words if a person or subject is disapproved of, we, the body of members must tacitly disapprove too in order to stay in favor, to keep a status or at least remain publicly silent in our disapproval.

Allow me the use of metaphor and allegory, my points should not be taken as a personal assault as my pure intent is to relentlessly have the courage to speak my truth in the face of adversarial forces.

What I perceive on the forum is the politics of kingship. While appearing benevolent and I am not saying in his heart a king isn't good, just that the fact is clear, he rules. I would see nothing wrong with this as long as it is clearly stated and we the joiners of Avalon are aware of what we are agreeing to. The king has a superior position so we the body of members are by position under this rule and subservient to it.

(The rules of engagement are not being questioned here, I agreed to a code of conduct conducive to respectful dialog and sharing. What I am digging for is the underlying unseen fine print on the contract.)

I joined the ship of Avalon that had set a course for the stars, a cosmic voyage, that declared sovereign BEingness as its very core. For me this ship named Avalon has become marooned in the eddies of political correctness and tacit approvals and disapprovals, murky undefined rights and wrongs. Avalon has been co-opted in conspiratorial games that only seek to divide. It is this that saddens my heart. Not looking to blame, I share what I see.

It is my nature to publish my words, knowing that they may well be perceived as an intent other than what they are meant to carry. We are expanding, ever reaching in an attempt toward freedom, to dismantle the prison without bars. While many have broken the limits of one barrier and then another, one must honestly ask what comes next? Not for the timid this stretch we are making, it takes a courageous heart and the humility of lessons hard earned.

Speak, I must. As an immense compassionate heart-felt pulse is beating within us all, we are the Living Truth. It is in honor and respect for our unique Essence that I stand True.

Christine

Post script ~ those few eyes that will read this will also know that I have been accused publicly of theft, this by a man who is my lawful wedded husband and one who pledged his love and all his worldly belongings to me in a sacred vow. I need not justify nor defend for I stand with my truth and by my words above. I am not a victim in this game, it was my choice to marry and my choice to leave. I know there are ways to dissolve a contract with grace, this has been repeatedly denied so I will use silence as my statement.

"Do you have eyes, and not see, and do you have ears, and not hear? ... Alas! what cause we have to lament for those around us, who destroy themselves."

To all who would inquire this is what I have to say: When a contract is made, both verbal and legal .... it is made to be honored. For myself a person is only as good as his word. There are dignified ways to withdraw from a contract, it takes courage and acceptance of ones own responsibility including errors. I don't think private affairs of this nature are anyone's business but the two who contracted. I offer again as I have since we parted to sit and come to equitable terms. My multiple offers have so far been ignored.

I do not participate in public trials nor honor trials behind closed doors. I have lost some of my dearest friends and this brings me great sadness though it is but a flicker in the light of eternity, we will all eventually meet again. With Love ~ All Ways.

Re: Have you seen this

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:20 am
by Phil
Hi Christine,

I exposed the story Bill is sharing with peeps he deems worthy of hearing it. I posted it and my thoughts on it here:

http://www.suemebill.blogspot.co.uk/

...the name is a play on accusations that have been made by forum owners who claim he threatened legal action

I think it would be quite an amusing spectacle to see what crime or harm I'd be accused of...but just in case those threats were real...I took what I posted to my "own" place to take responsibility...let me know if my link here causes you problems

I don't know if he considers that message his property, but it's your story. So I figure you own as much of it as he does...so posting it is a gift I offer to own or reject

Re: Have you seen this

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:52 am
by Christine
Phil,

What BR has done is despicable and a violation of the highest treason. A TRUE HEALER KNOWS that once entrusted with someones deepest story of pain that he/ she is under an Ethos to never reveal it to anyone and most of all to NEVER, EVER use that information against a person in private and MOST HIGH TREASON in public to shame them. PA is NOT a safe haven for trauma victims if BR is using such low tactics on me. AND for his failing memory let me remind him that I have plenty to shame him in my possession and YET in spite of all he has done would NEVER do so.

Further more let it be KNOWN that I, christine anderson, of sovereign mind and body, en-raptured in LOVE and FREE from all bonds, vows, contracts and cordings will speak for HER SELF. BR (he deserves no name) has VIOLATED the sanctity of my BEing and worse has put a dark spell on those who follow orders, (See Mark Passio's brilliant presentation) thereby making them culpable of HIS DEEDS.

These ACTS coming from the supposed gatekeepers of TRUTH have violated not only me but themselves, backed into a dark dank hole of complicit backroom chatter, the drama kings playing out their worn out tunes. PA is censoring all members who speak up ... not in defense of me, I NEED NO DEFENSE as I AM FREE. You and others Speak be-cause you must to HONOR the sanctity of their own Being.

LET IT BE KNOWN.

Love Unbound,
Christine
Phil wrote:Hi Christine,

I exposed the story Bill is sharing with peeps he deems worthy of hearing it. I posted it and my thoughts on it here:

http://www.suemebill.blogspot.co.uk/

...the name is a play on accusations that have been made by forum owners who claim he threatened legal action

I think it would be quite an amusing spectacle to see what crime or harm I'd be accused of...but just in case those threats were real...I took what I posted to my "own" place to take responsibility...let me know if my link here causes you problems

I don't know if he considers that message his property, but it's your story. So I figure you own as much of it as he does...so posting it is a gift I offer to own or reject

Re: Have you seen this

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:06 am
by Naga_Fireball
Eek Christine big hug.
Don't let the demons on squeaky chairs at PA get you too down. PA unfortunately is akin to the crab pot. Where the ones escaping get pinched hardest.



OFF TOPIC:

when I was a wee lass, some members of my family went to a particular church in the Appalachian region. It was a fairly large & increasingly progressive middle of the road church invariably to which money minded people were attracted.

A hospital CEO and what the liberal members considered later to be a shyster minister ( yikes) in addition to this CEO (separate people) eventually joined this church.

This minister was highly charismatic and influential but became distracted by $$$ and bling & the exploits of his various grown children. They lived very large.

While going to community college a coworker's child informed me that this popular minister had stolen money from the christian school attached to our church and embezzled from the church in general. The really awkward thing was that a number of people including my grandparents had stood up for this preacher. The coworker totally backed up the theft story.

I think initially lots of the people who sided against the minister were run out on a rail but then the local bishops moved the guy to a church at opposite end of state in accordance with some seven year limit in the denominations fine print lol.

I felt bad for this little kid who told me the story, i guess preacher was seen rifling thru principals desk and taking petty cash. :(

The more worldly church members probably left the faith over the scandal which is sad & ironic.

Before the huge falling out the church had a talent show. These two hilarious middle aged guys named Bill & Phil (they were inseparable after becoming friends) performed a song while cutting some guy's hair on stage IRL!! "If Your Hair's Too Long, Theres Sin in Your Heart", and I'm telling you, their act was the funniest of the evening. It was impossible to take anything seriously with those two in the room. I remember bill had been run ovejr by a car & had a prosthetic leg. His son was partially blind but i had this huge crush on him. Ironically he could not see what he was missing lol.

It was sad that shtf there because great friendships were lost . I'll never forget the talent show but funny enough, i forget the sermons except for the ones in youth group, boggle .. .



Group hug lol

Re: Have you seen this

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:40 pm
by Sophia
Can i just say Christine you had a very lucky escape from this man.

I am so glad you are free from this awful man who blames everyone else but himself for everything.I hope he reads this below.

So William How to Stop Playing the Blame Game

1 Believe there is a lesson to be learned and consent to learn it.

This is probably one of the most important steps for you William. Unless you’re really willing to learn the lesson, even if it feels uncomfortable at times, you can never move forward. Consent to view the situation as something that can help you grow.

2. Admit that you might have helped create the problem.

Warning: This does require you to immediately quit playing the blame game! Just consider the possibility that you somehow contributed to your current situation. This doesn’t mean no one else played a part; it just means perhaps you did, as well.

3. Take some alone time and review the situation.

I’m sure you’ve done this multiple times. It’s time to do it differently. Try to view the situation from a different perspective. Get objective and see it from someone else’s eyes. Is there another way to interpret what happened and how it all played out?

This requires you to be really honest with yourself about your choices and actions. If you’re willing to change your perspective you may immediately see what lesson needs to be learned and exactly how to learn the lesson.

Re: Have you seen this

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:00 pm
by Spiritwind
I just had a realization, it really isn't new, but as I was thinking about all that has transpired, forum wise, in the last few days, a thought, accompanied by a sensation in the literal heart area, came to me, solid as a rock. I also realized not everyone may be in the same space about this, but the realization made me feel very sad, and a true sense of empathy for those who are still obviously in such pain. I realized that they do not, deep deep down, feel loved. They have not developed true self love. Because when you do feel and know that, you do not feel the need to lash out with such emotionally charged repetitive unsubstantiated rhetoric. I can actually see them each as children when they first began to feel this way. It was very weird. I had a rough childhood, but I also connected with something spiritually and energetically that was intensely overwhelmingly loving as a child that I remember well, even though I forgot about it for many years. I think this loving energy, which I actually feel is Gaia herself, is what has made it possible for me to really learn to love myself unconditionally, as I knew I was already loved, because I felt it. There is no heart energy whatsoever coming from some of the posts I have read. Since I asked to be unsubscribed some time ago, I no longer see what is being written. But I know it takes a lot of energy to maintain a position when you will not even consider that you may not have it quit right.

Even those who have hurt me the most in life I could not impale as they have done.

I just so wish they could stop the program in their mind long enough to allow the opportunity for some kind of reconnection to that which they are also immersed in, along with the archonic energy of the matrix that has overlaid them with a field of fear, shame, anger, resentment, blame, and need to punish. That reminds me of my outer experience as a child, the energy of this whole flow of vitriol emanating from what used to be a place I went to so I could connect with what I thought were like minded, and like hearted, people. It's also weird that my view of what has been unfolding, in which I am not alone but in some very good company, is actually met with such open hostility. Just some thoughts flowing through my always reflective mind.

Re: Have you seen this

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:21 pm
by Phil
I’m fairly certain we all need some sort of trauma to kick us in the head and make us realize that we’re not as opened minded or enlightened as we’d like to think.

I hate to say that, as I had been working damn hard to try to figure out a less painful way to encourage others to consider the possibility they may be lying to themselves.

The lies we grow up having to tell ourselves tend to significantly outnumber the empowering truths, I really believe we mostly have this in common.

What would be nice, is if enough of us understood that WE create the norms. If we took that responsibility, it would be much to easier to see our own mistakes and misconceptions.

Then maybe we’d think about hurting other beings, before we acted. Then we could resolve issues in a much less painful way.

OR…we can stand by being right, and judge and target anyone asking questions or pointing out charged perspectives. It’s “worked” as long as I’ve been alive…it’s tough to manifest the change I’d like to be.

But it’s worth trying. To me, anyway

Re: Have you seen this

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:46 am
by Old Wolf
Phil wrote:I’m fairly certain we all need some sort of trauma to kick us in the head and make us realize that we’re not as opened minded or enlightened as we’d like to think.
You're certainly not unique in that opinion.

Kindly.

Re: Have you seen this

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:17 pm
by Phil
HA!! Cristian—I see you’re getting chastised for “leaking highly sensitive” thoughts of Bill Ryan. Don’t you know he doesn’t want his flock to know how cursed and demon infected he knows his ex-wife to be?

Like a lot of his beliefs about reality, that was sposta be a secret. Revealing knowledge he works so hard at occulting is harmful, doncha know?? Letting anyone other those chosen to receive his wisdom will cause great harm.

I’m reminded of the time I tried to get a discussion going of LRon’s sacred document, the “Wall of Fire” OT3…which he actively aggressively occults.

The funny thing is, and I wish I could find it…it really sucks trying to search PA on a phone without membership…but he actually in one of his public chastising of my “harming the community” he refers to the 10k word pm he worked so hard to give me as a gift/warning/whatever.

Apparently revealing that would cause great harm too…I am the only one “special” enough (well, me and probably anyone else evil enough to harm people by posting LRon’s handwritten ravings publicly) to get his truth on the knowledge he is called to occult. He feels so strongly about it, he followed me over to the TOT, admitted it in writing (of course, I don’t have access to the PM’s, you don’t have to believe me…I sure as hell didn’t when it was happening).

Anyways...just wanted to share my thoughts on the noble moderator actions...c'mon Cristian: what are you doing to HEAL THE WORLD?? (-: