Christine wrote:The Temple is within ... and without heart (the generator) without the outpouring of LOVE's force field the mind is so easily fooled, The Fool.

Yay Pris, Standing in Your Truth, 'tis but what we can do.

Oh, yes! The heart and brain are like 'locations' on a map in this 3D 'reality' (the brain is like a 'switching' station)... Our whole body is our (temporary) 'house'. For me, it's the soul/singularity that sits next to the heart -- keeps the heart pumping -- that's the energy generator... And, its energy does seem to be very loving to me.

For me, it's like a 'merging'... or 'expanding' of the mind and the soul (not the brain and heart). It's kind of like a large 'bubble' or 'field' of me. My mind/ego is not 'contained' and 'separate' in my skull/temple. I'm glad you pointed that out, Christine.
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With a proviso, that these are opinions, I'll add that over symbolising things is a self sabotage, Cerebrally.

How we got here from "Private messages are not private"....... is a bloody good case of brainstorm anarchy at it's forum best.

On carving stuff up into what we hope are potent symbols:

One of my biggies, sorry Christine, is Candles !

For most of my life I only observed that candles were prolific around the religious practises and the places there of.

Only quite recently did I begin to get an inkling that there's something nefarious about the use of religious candles. It began to dawn on me that it's about the concept of "light". A part of this realisation came when I started to hear people say things about the light trap at the point of death. What bloody light trap ! ?.....

I can't quite fully explain what I'm feeling about it yet, but, I'll borrow a notion from the bible. The notion that a 'dark entity' can pass itself off as a 'light entiy', initially. A false light, to fool us.

When I take into consideration the obvious false nature of religions, in general, the use of candles really hits my button, at last. I feel like I'm finally "getting it".

I really hope this hasn't started a war......... I'm just putting it out there for consideration.

norman wrote:With a proviso, that these are opinions, I'll add that over symbolising things is a self sabotage, Cerebrally.

How we got here from "Private messages are not private"....... is a bloody good case of brainstorm anarchy at it's forum best.

On carving stuff up into what we hope are potent symbols:

One of my biggies, sorry Christine, is Candles !

For most of my life I only observed that candles were prolific around the religious practises and the places there of.

Only quite recently did I begin to get an inkling that there's something nefarious about the use of religious candles. It began to dawn on me that it's about the concept of "light". A part of this realisation came when I started to hear people say things about the light trap at the point of death. What bloody light trap ! ?.....

I can't quite fully explain what I'm feeling about it yet, but, I'll borrow a notion from the bible. The notion that a 'dark entity' can pass itself off as a 'light entiy', initially. A false light, to fool us.

When I take into consideration the obvious false nature of religions, in general, the use of candles really hits my button, at last. I feel like I'm finally "getting it".

I really hope this hasn't started a war......... I'm just putting it out there for consideration.

'Brainstorm anarchy'. Love that!

'Symbolising things is a self-sabotage, cerebrally'. Hehe, really? Where did you get that idea? The mind/soul LOVES symbols (at least, that's my take/not really an opinion)... hardly seems like a self-sabotaging... method of... communication.

Is it my opinion that I am breathing air at this moment? You do bring up some good points, norman.

And, the candle thing, too. Lol admin Christine and admin Carol (over in The Mists) both use the same candle... it was slightly confusing at first (which forum am I in lol). Anyway, back to the 'light'/'false light'/'trap' thing. That's one of my favourite subjects.

I doubt you've started a war here. Doesn't war imply 'sides'? Whatever happens... I just don't pick a 'side'.
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Pris wrote:
Is it my opinion that I am breathing air at this moment?

Hahaha.... funny you mention your breath............

No, definitely not an opinion, on that. Even if you switch your mind right off ( or out of the way ), your breath will loom large as a primary experience.

In fact, I'd say your breath is a bloody good place to start a complete stock-take of everything.

In combination with the sound of your own auditory sense, the taste of your own tongue and the light on your own screen, you've got all bases covered for a complete purge of everything useless inside your physical consciousness.

norman wrote:

Pris wrote:
Is it my opinion that I am breathing air at this moment?

Hahaha.... funny you mention your breath............

No, definitely not an opinion, on that. Even if you switch your mind right off ( or out of the way ), your breath will loom large as a primary experience.

In fact, I'd say your breath is a bloody good place to start a complete stock-take of everything.

In combination with the sound of your own auditory sense, the taste of your own tongue and the light on your own screen, you've got all bases covered for a complete purge of everything useless inside your physical consciousness.

Wait, wait... are you saying that my breath, hearing, taste, sight (not quite all the typical 'senses' listed, but close enough) are the only useful things as far as my physical consciousness is concerned? Or, do you mean those 'senses' are the most useless of things? Either way, LOL you are a riot, norman! (I say that kindly). I mean, I know I'm not even half 'here' half the time. My ego/consciousness is traipsing all over the place using those and 'other senses' to 'collect/gather/process' info.
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Here ya go norman,

Forum at its best! I agree with Pris, you are a hoot and a holler.

You see, what I see is that "that over symbolising things is a self sabotage, Cerebrally." is an opinion, one I can respect as yours, it doesn't necessarily mean it is mine or I need to accept it. I am cool with that. I will also propose that in any life there is a time for anything, what is currently adequate may change at any given moment ... a profluent thing.

Candles, yes iconic imagery representing what ever you choose them to represent. As one well knows the most potent symbols have been co-opted by the dark ones, so...

I fly in the face of dogmatic ritual use of such a powerful representation of reality that is represented by the single flame. Hey sir, your campfire speaks volumes about you too. For me, wild senses and all, being cause over my own reality the flame of a single candle is the one thing, the one small thing that has kept my inner being alive during times of severe testing. It is a personal symbol to me.

No need to be sorry, I take no offense.

She is laughing and loving and so grateful for those who speak their truth.

norman wrote:With a proviso, that these are opinions, I'll add that over symbolising things is a self sabotage, Cerebrally.

How we got here from "Private messages are not private"....... is a bloody good case of brainstorm anarchy at it's forum best.

On carving stuff up into what we hope are potent symbols:

One of my biggies, sorry Christine, is Candles !

For most of my life I only observed that candles were prolific around the religious practises and the places there of.

Only quite recently did I begin to get an inkling that there's something nefarious about the use of religious candles. It began to dawn on me that it's about the concept of "light". A part of this realisation came when I started to hear people say things about the light trap at the point of death. What bloody light trap ! ?.....

I can't quite fully explain what I'm feeling about it yet, but, I'll borrow a notion from the bible. The notion that a 'dark entity' can pass itself off as a 'light entiy', initially. A false light, to fool us.

When I take into consideration the obvious false nature of religions, in general, the use of candles really hits my button, at last. I feel like I'm finally "getting it".

I really hope this hasn't started a war......... I'm just putting it out there for consideration.

Pris wrote:
Wait, wait... are you saying that my breath, hearing, taste, sight (not quite all the typical 'senses' listed, but close enough) are the only useful things as far as my physical consciousness is concerned? Or, do you mean those 'senses' are the most useless of things? .....

I'm saying that those primary senses are the basis of your experience here. It is 'on top' of those that everything else about your experience is built.

I'm not saying everything else is useless though. I'm saying that a careful 'meditation' on those primary senses will reboot your intelligence each time you do it. From a reboot, your intelligence get's to be defragged ( like a hard drive ), and, in my opinion, slight improvements in it's functionality result.

The most obvious result of meditating on the primary senses, for anyone having a go at it for the first time, is that it leaves all the emotional triggers outside with the rest of the accumulated secondary stuff. Not permanently, it soon rushes back when you stop, but just seeing these things rushing back is enlightening, and helps to identify problems and mental habits that are causing difficulties.

I've just woke up, so if this post feels lacking in something, I'm not a 'morning' person

Christine wrote:Here ya go norman,

Forum at its best! I agree with Pris, you are a hoot and a holler.....


.......I fly in the face of dogmatic ritual use of such a powerful representation of reality that is represented by the single flame. Hey sir, your campfire speaks volumes about you too.

Harharhar!!!
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norman wrote:

Pris wrote:
Wait, wait... are you saying that my breath, hearing, taste, sight (not quite all the typical 'senses' listed, but close enough) are the only useful things as far as my physical consciousness is concerned? Or, do you mean those 'senses' are the most useless of things? .....

I'm saying that those primary senses are the basis of your experience here. It is 'on top' of those that everything else about your experience is built.

I'm not saying everything else is useless though. I'm saying that a careful 'meditation' on those primary senses will reboot your intelligence each time you do it. From a reboot, your intelligence get's to be defragged ( like a hard drive ), and, in my opinion, slight improvements in it's functionality result.

The most obvious result of meditating on the primary senses, for anyone having a go at it for the first time, is that it leaves all the emotional triggers outside with the rest of the accumulated secondary stuff. Not permanently, it soon rushes back when you stop, but just seeing these things rushing back is enlightening, and helps to identify problems and mental habits that are causing difficulties.

I've just woke up, so if this post feels lacking in something, I'm not a 'morning' person

LOL (again!)! How do you know, norman, that those 'primary senses' are the basis of my experience here? Climb into my head... I dare you. Nope... for me, there's always been 'something else' -- a very powerful intuitive knowing 'sense' that goes well beyond my physical self and has been with me as far back as I can remember.

Oh, and meditating (for me yet to be determined if necessary lol) to leave 'emotional triggers' (yaay, I love those!) outside with 'accumulated secondary stuff' (how is that determined)? Why on Earth would I want to go anywhere (outside and/or inside) without my favourite stuff?

Thanks again for your thoughts, norman!
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Pris wrote:
... Nope... for me, there's always been 'something else' -- a very powerful intuitive knowing 'sense' that goes well beyond my physical self and has been with me as far back as I can remember.....

I think I'm not being understood very well. I'm certain of that 'powerful knowing' from beyond this physical self too. That's the sentient being occupying this meatsuit.