Breaking silence on Corey Goode and asking for your honest assessments

[Pluto's Child]

And one final thing. (UGH!) LOL

Yes, there were a lot of people, experiencers, MILABS, you name it, who contacted Corey for help. Is it not possible, just possible, not necessarily true, that what people were resonating with was their own similar emotional PTSD experiences? I'm saying it is completely in the realm of possibility that people were resonating on a subconscious level with their own ... for lack of better words ... false memory syndrome and picking up on flags that they simply had in common with Corey. Because he was in a position of being in the guru seat, people naturally gravitated towards him in the same way they gravitated towards Simon. Incidentally, both times I e-mailed both people, neither of them could give me anything concrete, talked in abstractions, and only elaborated when I provided information that jived with their stories. That doesn't substantiate truth, and to assume that it does would have been really dangerous on my part. I'm saying you can end up doing a LOT more harm than good here!

OK the Epistle from Hermit is finished. The bottom line is there are a lot of really, REALLY good people here and on other forums. I think if anything Sis? You've proven to us that you are a beautiful, unique, and wonderfully human human being. And I think you're in really good company here.

Love ya.

Yeah I read all your posts, sounds like you are in it like me, these players aren't going to give you any answers (I tried getting sense out of SP on PA with no luck) they are professional bull shitters of the first degree.

I bet you have PTSD like I have from the simple fact that your mother was incapable of love, that "simple " thing deprives you of the the basic sense of place in this world & not only that is an important aspect of the abduction phenomena because it leaves you wide open.

Go back & see the post I made before you posted tonight & see if it makes any sense to you.

[Hermit]

*The answers, I found to my shock and horror, were already present in my own conscious mind. They just weren't the answers I wanted...so I went looking for other palatable ones. It didn't change the fact that the answers I already had were the right ones all along.
*You eventually come to a place where you realize that the anger you have carried is only weighing you down, that it's part of the problem, and that releasing/letting it go is, in fact, one of the hardest things in the world to do. But you gotta do it. I think we probably do have a lot in common with regards to our histories, Pluto! And I think a LOT of people in the alt community come from the same places we have, and have tried to reckon their experiences in the same ways we have. Does that mean we haven't been touched by something that may have come from somewhere else? Nope! That's a possibility. But it's also possible that what touches us has to be unidentified because, like a lot of people (Corey and Simon for example) we/they draw conclusions that are comfortable to the world view, but are invalid without being in full possession of the facts.
*I actually have a lot of sympathy, to a point. I guess like everything, it comes down to buyer beware. I'm more likely to believe someone who shares an intimate detail without having a web page, but that's my own personal bias. I know this is how we as a community share with each other. What keeps resonating with me are the words I heard so many years ago:

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.

That, and as it's kind of appropriate in an avian kind of way....

If it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck....he's maybe ducked. ;o)

[maggie]

Hermit, your responses were amazing. I am riffing some of my thoughts about having had "normal" trauma in a narcissistic culture where my parenst had trauma and theirs and on back.

One thing about PTSD...it really In My Experience DOES NOT matter how BIG truama is to devastate a person.
The BIG stories might be lies to cover the real trauama.
People need to be realabout themselves I think to start healing.

IMO PTSD is a symptom of having been completely overwhelmed by circumstances. The place on is in cannot be accepted...it was TOO MUCH to bear. IMO many people who do begin to search in the alt community are aware they have the symptoms of not functioning in a balanced and satisfying way.The desire wish to resolve it leads us down a path of many experiences. But having to face one's pain...very hard to bear.

"...being fundamentalist Christians and moving on to another belief/world-view resonated with me as being highly symptomatic of individuals who do suffer from PTSD linked or associated with addictive/co-dependent behavior."

I think fundamentalISM is not just Christian but could be any "cult-like" system. People are in them because they re messed up and need some major help. Maybe it does help some and for some time? Maybe others are further truamatized.
I perceive that many people are oblivious to what they even want. They will grab what others present as a cure.

Shiny happy people pretending to be just fine are often met in fundamentalist groups UNLESS challenged...then they can bite.
In my experience one tends to become dogmatic about what one craves, using a substance, or behavior or what one believes when it seems to soothe.

Behaviors
1. Drugging with substances...food even (substances might include anything one ingests so may be information becomes a drug.)
2. Being a savior to others is large and small ways (even just one to one with people OR needing a global platform)
3. Needing to achieve fame of some sort. This includes all drives to succeed in "some important" way
4. Constant insecurity in relationships (partly due to lies that make us hide and project)
5. Delusions of special status, secretly wanting some worship.
6. Lying in big ways and small deceits. Completely unconscious of what may be obvious to others...that lies will out. This really feels bad and makes a mess.
7. There is a strong need to declare what is "RIGHT. There is anger at what is "WRONG".

Such an intense need for certainty
Beliefs can change but often they change in disillusionment.
When one is IN the belief, one sees all other contrasting beliefs as a threat.
Then if what one once believed is seen as threatening itself...oh no.
IMO, there are few agnostics in unhealed PTSD.

Under the belief is the absolute lack of certainty within. One is needing a Father-like authority. I say paternal because the masculine "law giver" is wanted to resolve the feeling of inner turmoil. PTSD is such a state of wild inner doubt IMO! There is no sense of solid ground...the rug is about to be pulled, the sky will fall, the earth will shift, all metaphoric sense of no "rock".

Also IMO there is intense rage. If it is turned on oneself, there is depression.
There in this misery we crave a savior.

Turned out suffering makes people fanatic and judgmental pretending to BE a savior. Severe punishment is deserved for what others do that is WRONG. There we find the hypocrisy of the one in PTSD. Being absolutely unbalanced, the sufferer may do all that is hated. It is horrifying so it is just projected.

Here is one example. CG keeps invoking the need to protect his family. We have seen how he can be a real jerk to others. I betcha his family gets a bunch of nonsense to deal with from CG.....I say projection is apparent.

IMO we need extreme compassion for the state that IMO every human being is IN.
poor dear unhealed sufferers...may all beings be happy.
May all beings be free of suffering.

IMO this is an opportunity...this trauma can serve as the spring board to becoming a giant being.
My woowoo says I chose it for its value fulfillment.

People like DW and CG...I am just so sure that to hate them would just be projected self hate. BUT, the behavior needs calling out.

[Christine]

...IMO this is an opportunity...this trauma can serve as the spring board to becoming a giant being.
My woowoo says I chose it for its value fulfillment.

People like DW and CG...I am just so sure that to hate them would just be projected self hate. BUT, the behavior needs calling out.

Thank you dear Hermit and lovely wise maggie ... reading through both of your posts is a journey of resonance and a reminder as to why anyone speaks, why anyone should speak, for where there is compassion there is also a window to Truth. Truth is never complex and even the darkest of truths is a radiant light.

Having stepped to the edge of this particular spin cycle again I am feeling the pull and its elements, the why of Corey and the necessity of a DW to thrust him into the limelight. All the characters on this stage are suspect, if a person is honest with their Self first, does some deep research, removes the dust from their eyes what is happening within the alternative media shows itself clearly.

If Corey reads these words as I am pretty sure he will, surely he can hear that there are those who deeply care for him and would cherish the opportunity to sit together for a spell, to find the common breath and to communicate beyond the limits of the falsehoods that continue to confine and confuse.

[Pluto's Child]

...IMO this is an opportunity...this trauma can serve as the spring board to becoming a giant being.
My woowoo says I chose it for its value fulfillment.

People like DW and CG...I am just so sure that to hate them would just be projected self hate. BUT, the behavior needs calling out.

Thank you dear Hermit and lovely wise maggie ... reading through both of your posts is a journey of resonance and a reminder as to why anyone speaks, why anyone should speak, for where there is compassion there is also a window to Truth. Truth is never complex and even the darkest of truths is a radiant light.

Having stepped to the edge of this particular spin cycle again I am feeling the pull and its elements, the why of Corey and the necessity of a DW to thrust him into the limelight. All the characters on this stage are suspect, if a person is honest with their Self first, does some deep research, removes the dust from their eyes what is happening within the alternative media shows itself clearly.

If Corey reads these words as I am pretty sure he will, surely he can hear that there are those who deeply care for him and would cherish the opportunity to sit together for a spell, to find the common breath and to communicate beyond the limits of the falsehoods that continue to confine and confuse.

I find all this compassion & so forth rather hard to get my head around, the guy is a compulsive liar who spins the kind of yarns TV has "educated" people to follow, that do nothing but add more & more deception & obfuscation in an already very difficult field to navigate.

As in the quoted in the quote, he really does need his behaviour calling out, and people who are promoting him also need calling out, I mean WHY promote him & his material when it's so obviously a crock ?

There seems to have been a major effort in recent times to "reframe" the whole UFO & "alien" thing, what with Greers efforts & now this "FREE" organisation & their bogus questionnaires......and how the heck did they get my email address ?

Who gave them that ? The NSA ?

Years ago I was naive enough to post a thread about things that had happened to me on P Camelot, (there was a lot I had to leave out, like family background) I had a few abductees that were too scared to "out" themselves PM me & what they were telling me was not anything like these blowhard "internet gurus" would have you believe.

These entities are using selected individuals for things that are not easy to understand & in exchange certain "agencies" get tech & so forth ....if you have a smart phone then people have gone through what you can't imagine for that, those things are paid for with more than blood !

This is why there will never be disclosure, because barely anyone could handle the truth, horror beyond imagination.

There are real links between depression, hyper vigilance, under developed hypocampuses & right frontal lobes, & the programs & memes used to create cognitive dissonance & narcissistic mothers, because it all feeds into a dark hidden agenda of energy harvesting & the manipulation of our reality for "their" benefit.

It's not even just the UFO's either, look at all the phoney "super soldiers" another area taken over by fantasists & deceivers using the same kind of narrative devices.

[Fredkc]

Pluto;
Re your last 3 paragraphs.... ya had me. Then ya lost me. Then case back with a got me... mostly.

Signal to noise ration on the current alien discussions makes it hard for me to make up my mind, really. But I do have a question:
In this universe, there's anything you want. So... what do you want?
Fred

[Naga_Fireball]

I'm not real certain why motherhood keeps coming up. What about absentee fathers? May as well be dead right?



Also the idea of blaming the phenomena experienced in the alt community on parenting, does anyone else think wtf when they see that? Over and over like a meme nail driven into our brains...

...

Regarding supersoldiers, are people really throwing that issue in with all the ET shit? Sorry but were folks expecting long transcripts and written proof to back up rumors of illegal human experimentation?

Maybe we should all take a collective nap so we can be PC enough to fit in... Jk.

If people can avoid sucking the teat of these cult personalities long enough to use Google independently of bias, there is plenty of info on the topic of GMO and supersoldiers, that has nothing to do with UFOs or other inexplicable phenomena.

Not saying theres never a link. But that there does not have to be.

.

[Pluto's Child]

Pluto;
Re your last 3 paragraphs.... ya had me. Then ya lost me. Then case back with a got me... mostly.

Signal to noise ration on the current alien discussions makes it hard for me to make up my mind, really. But I do have a question:
In this universe, there's anything you want. So... what do you want?
Fred

I wouldn't expect anyone not "in it" to really grasp all of what I wrote, to explain it all would be a vast undertaking.

What do I want ?

I would like ALL my memories & health back.

I would also like to leave.

[Pluto's Child]

I'm not real certain why motherhood keeps coming up. What about absentee fathers? May as well be dead right?



Also the idea of blaming the phenomena experienced in the alt community on parenting, does anyone else think wtf when they see that? Over and over like a meme nail driven into our brains...

...

Regarding supersoldiers, are people really throwing that issue in with all the ET shit? Sorry but were folks expecting long transcripts and written proof to back up rumors of illegal human experimentation?

Maybe we should all take a collective nap so we can be PC enough to fit in... Jk.

If people can avoid sucking the teat of these cult personalities long enough to use Google independently of bias, there is plenty of info on the topic of GMO and supersoldiers, that has nothing to do with UFOs or other inexplicable phenomena.

Not saying theres never a link. But that there does not have to be.

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Fathers are just enablers in this, this isn't a gender issue, it's just that they worked out ages ago that if a mother fails to bond / love the baby they get the same effect as if they have gone through a full scale MK trauma program, but only better, the resulting hyper vigilance means very easy access into "psychic" things like RV, astral consciousness & etheric abilities (they screen people for these genetic traits, my mother was & is very psychic)

My mother was messed with to be like she is, not her fault, now she is old the programs are breaking down & she is on SRIs.

There is no obvious connection between SS & UFO's, other than the abilities mentioned above, wars are fought in the astral just as they are here, they are the real super soldiers that fight those wars, not the jerks on youtube, ask Duncan O'Finion.

[Hermit]

What you said Pluto.

This is part of the problem of trying to assign blame and being in the world view that accepts that there is a blamer and someone who is a victim.

Now how about this for an idea. What if we have a choice to evolve out of that world view? Would you take it?

And I bet I have a touchstone here that would be well served by us all, myself (emphasis on myself) included.

Any story that comes from that old world view of victim/perpetrator? I bet it's either a) distorted intentionally or (more likely) unintentionally by the teller, or b) is simply poppycock.

Either way, I have to step up beside Christine on this one because I for one was a willing participant in all this song and dance, as well as anyone who had or has an opinion! I believe we all had a role to play in this. Refer to the epistle of Hermit. ;o)

Family forgives and helps each other to move on. That's just the way it is.