Masterfully written , Pluto's Child. Sorry for going off like a rocket.

I too often yearn for escape. Sure hope you are right about those mind warriors.. Planet could use the help!!

Pluto's Child wrote:I find all this compassion & so forth rather hard to get my head around, the guy is a compulsive liar who spins the kind of yarns TV has "educated" people to follow, that do nothing but add more & more deception & obfuscation in an already very difficult field to navigate.

Lying just cannot be healthy for the liar.

What we desire IMO is health. Maybe this is just my belief. Health may not be what everyone wants but that is hard for me to get my head around.
Well, I would say that compassion does something for you, not him. I think it leads to health. There is something you can do for others as every sentient being, just stand for the truth.

I am listening to this very sound talk. Sharing it here.....
Watch from 1:13:31. It is not a direct hit but relevant for what you talked about but indicates that truth is healing.......

[youtube]https://youtu.be/DLv80cDS6_A?t=1h12m15s[/youtube]

Hermit wrote:What you said Pluto.

This is part of the problem of trying to assign blame and being in the world view that accepts that there is a blamer and someone who is a victim.

Now how about this for an idea. What if we have a choice to evolve out of that world view? Would you take it?

And I bet I have a touchstone here that would be well served by us all, myself (emphasis on myself) included.

Any story that comes from that old world view of victim/perpetrator? I bet it's either a) distorted intentionally or (more likely) unintentionally by the teller, or b) is simply poppycock.

Either way, I have to step up beside Christine on this one because I for one was a willing participant in all this song and dance, as well as anyone who had or has an opinion! I believe we all had a role to play in this. Refer to the epistle of Hermit. ;o)

Family forgives and helps each other to move on. That's just the way it is.

I have moved on way beyond blame, & tbh "blame'" never really came into it, "blame" is something one apportions to things "material" that "make sense ", abductions just don't; even the starters of being paralysed & "floated" out of the window or through the roof are traumatising, not just mentally but emotionally & physically, it's outside of "reality".

I hope we can do our own thread on this, it needs to be done !

Naga_Fireball wrote:Masterfully written , Pluto's Child. Sorry for going off like a rocket.

I too often yearn for escape. Sure hope you are right about those mind warriors.. Planet could use the help!!

Hey, I have read a lot of your posts & threads, you are a stand out genuine human being with your heart on your sleeve & I salute you !

Viva Naga Fireball !!

maggie wrote:

Pluto's Child wrote:I find all this compassion & so forth rather hard to get my head around, the guy is a compulsive liar who spins the kind of yarns TV has "educated" people to follow, that do nothing but add more & more deception & obfuscation in an already very difficult field to navigate.

Lying just cannot be healthy for the liar.

What we desire IMO is health. Maybe this is just my belief. Health may not be what everyone wants but that is hard for me to get my head around.
Well, I would say that compassion does something for you, not him. I think it leads to health. There is something you can do for others as every sentient being, just stand for the truth.

I am listening to this very sound talk. Sharing it here.....
Watch from 1:13:31. It is not a direct hit but relevant for what you talked about but indicates that truth is healing.......

[youtube]https://youtu.be/DLv80cDS6_A?t=1h12m15s[/youtube]

IMO lying & deception is not healthy for any one of us.

Health is far more than it seems, it's natures instruction manual on how to live / exist at one with the universe & our selves, there is no one answer or easy solution, what works for one is poison to another, it is some thing we all need to learn how to navigate.

Compassion is a concept, (it is held in imagination) love is a reality, it has real power, power beyond what we can imagine.

Pluto's Child wrote: Compassion is a concept, (it is held in imagination) love is a reality, it has real power, power beyond what we can imagine.

I am not sure How (left out how, came back and edited) you mean that? Both are concepts for feeling. Both are bandied about as if we know what one another means.

To me, compassion is more without personal affections when felt than "love". I can say love and when I feel it, there is a warm fuzzy connection that draws me close to the beloved.

In compassion, I feel for a person's suffering but it does not draw me in. I'd LIKE to see that suffering ended and I would not seek harm. I observe and think of how it would feel to be there and in CG's case, I'm just shaking my head because IMO it would feel treacherous. Corey Goode as a human being looks ill, dejected, morose and I doubt he feels well. But I do not love him and feel actually repelled. The desperation there is dark.

He will get his 30 minutes of fame and then the trajectory is down hill as a "has been personality". Then he'll be going back to where he came and I honestly feel sad for him because he seems to have burned many possibly necessary bridges.

The kind way to deal from compassion FOR ALL is to cut the trajectory short by calling him out. He is not rejected as a human but his behavior is abhorrent because of how he spreads confusion and disinformation. IMO those who feel strongly should still be able to feel compassion. That is the least we all deserve to have (for ourselves in our feeling body). That is IMO because compassion is a way of honoring what anyone of us MIGHT be having without needing to take it on.

Post edit: Just to be clear, most times the only compassionate and loving thing one can do is call someone out for their deceptions as this serves the whole and serves Truth, I think that anything less is false compassion and leaves the rats to rule the ship.

Pluto's Child wrote:Health is far more than it seems, it's natures instruction manual on how to live / exist at one with the universe & our selves, there is no one answer or easy solution, what works for one is poison to another, it is some thing we all need to learn how to navigate.

Compassion is a concept, (it is held in imagination) love is a reality, it has real power, power beyond what we can imagine.

Love is a reality when we make it Real, ie: heal (remove barriers and limits) ourselves and be-come love, we then have true compassion for those who have not yet walked the path of the annihilation of false ego, painful and arduous one I might add. Compassion for me is a compression within me of all I have lived and recalled, this allows me to feel another without losing myself. For me compassion is a all the suffering distilled into a single drop, not personal any longer it has some pretty magical properties.

And Love, ah love ...

Feeling ill and wanting OUT go together because life does not feel GOOD.
I am an expert on these experiences. You who read this may also be experts.

There is an earth based fear factory that encourages humans to live short and stressful existences.
There is a fear factory creating most of the material that media promotes.
These are all stories and we imagine them.
Survival, fight, war, feeding off one another, all that we say is wrong (and all the images and all the beliefs around these ideas)....and we cannot bear the pain and getting out is chosen as death....

All of these states are seen to be irrelevant when one knows better.
But understanding is not enough to make a person want to live.
The experience has got to get better or Bye BYE is A valid choice.

The fear factory spins death.
If I want to wake up and become what I might be as a human, I need to become UNMOVED by the spin.
YOU JUST CAN'T LIVE IN IT LONG if you are a feeling being as we all are.
The way to withstand the deathly spin is by claiming "MY connection" to my source as guidance.
This guidance does take us to face our own creation in through the underworld of beliefs and programming.
On the way, ALL our fear surfaces to be released.
We can learn HOW to let it go when we feel confident of our power.
The muck gets sorted out and we are victoriously freed.

WHY do people keep revisiting the same round about instead?
We can see the suffering that comes from agreement to fear?
It is literally an addiction IMO (and also others opinions)
WE develop energy addictions to the spin of fear.
It will kill off a life eventually.

One does not realize where the draw for death arises.
The presentation seems "normal".
One believes it reality, believes fear is necessary and important and believes one must heed it's messages.
One keeps seeking the symbols and the metaphors that give feedback to this believing process.

Our beliefs focus, concretize particular information in the field.
IMO this focus, OUR ATTENTION is the vortex point of the tornado of the spin factory.
What I see is a collection of humans feeding the fear tornado with their energy all looking to the vortex of FEAR itself and it plays out.
We are spinning the machine.
We need to take response ability for this offering of our own.
The addict has to go cold turkey sometime to make it a long life.
Addicts will need detox for a few years.
They need to STOP being in that circling pattern of reactions.
Then the organism can change (healing, wholing)

The healing makes me feel good so if I appreciate feeling well, I continue on.
Then I cannot be swayed as I CHOOSE to imagine focusing a new vortex I create, FEELING my SELF, not what is promoted to be felt.
Then I see how this changes reality, and that further encourages.
I have my own little tornado but it picks up new information because that new information has been placed in my own field boundaries.
We become immune and the experience of dis-ease changes to a perfect pattern.

We each have everything we need if we can touch it in ourselves
There is YES, a completely alternative experience and one will not think any longer: "I want OUT".
Humans need community of loving support and need to say NO to the fear factory.

Tobias Lars says it all well here.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/bjK7nBcj7Lw[/youtube]

So......what about David Wilcock? How does he disappear from this discussion so easily? (to me he seems to disappear from the discussion more easily than the actual topic, which is friggin amazing)

Can anyone explain to me how they perceive him actually ENTERING the narrative? I'm not looking for philosophical answers or judgments....just honest recountings of how they remember the "history" of this myth (and character) creation story.

Great question Phil and so here, lets put DW right back into the conversation:



I have a lot to share though most of it is subjective and analytical. The above poster-boy imagery says a whole lot about the golden boy of GAIAM TV. Much more coming on this soon. For anyone who really wants to get to the nitty-gritty of the co-opting of alternative media start digging on GAIAM, hint "Bain Corporation".

Some damn good grass roots research is going on, I will do what I can in the near future to synthesize some of this information on an upcoming panel discussion. I don't mean to play the I know something then withhold information game ... I honestly have so many fires going including the home fire so it is difficult to focus it all right now.

Phil wrote:So......what about David Wilcock? How does he disappear from this discussion so easily? (to me he seems to disappear from the discussion more easily than the actual topic, which is friggin amazing)

Can anyone explain to me how they perceive him actually ENTERING the narrative? I'm not looking for philosophical answers or judgments....just honest recountings of how they remember the "history" of this myth (and character) creation story.