The truth of LRH L. Ron Hubbard

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jiminii wrote: It doesn't matter what LRH did in any of the secret societies he went to get the correct data that will create the results with the minimal via's.

So what. He studied with crowely, doing all this witchcraft stuff to finally come up with the exact why that will solve it all.
Read the Phoenix Lectures.
Teaches exactly how to create a postulate without the need for exotic ritual.

His intention to locate exact why's and not hocus pocus is what brought out this technology.

That is the difference.

I was in trouble. I was creating phenomenon on the fly from any thoughts I was creating. My thoughts were happening including the more dangerous negative thoughts and I needed to learn how to control them.

I read the Phoenix Lectures and went back to Utah and practiced making postulates using weather.

And none of it is black magic.

Just pure Theta, thought and intention.

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Well, think that summarizes the much debated, blown out of proportions and chilling considerations regarding LRH and the "very good friend", Master Therion Aleister Crowley.

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jiminii wrote:Beings are able to create anything either infinitely good or infinitely bad and every variation between.
The first time I came Into Scientology, I was thinking nothing, but at the same time hundreds of other entities joined along side me. It's like me coming In with an intention to open OT levels far above anything they had was literally creating a vacuum that was pulling all like minded entities in to. This was USLO, (united States liaison org). We, me and a Dutch wife, were sent to the Bolivar ship in Long Beach. Phenomenon of various kinds was appearing in the physical universe like lights blowing out and etc, so much energy was involved. When some upper management people came aboard the ship to announce LRH just opened up 8 new levels taking the bridge up to OT 15. I decided to leave. Something inside said I completed what I had to do and when I left all those 100s of entities that came into Scientology at the same time as me left too, the same amount of people coming in was about the same amount of people that left, so I assume it was one person's intention causing it all.
Somehow a letter came to me from office of LRH giving me a freeloaders debt in the 1000s of dollars for the few training courses I did. I wrote back and said, "why don't you give me some processing that proves your stuff works and I'll see if I owe you any money.", the training courses were only teaching things that had to do with working and none on spiritual abilities.

They changed the policy to say that the only thing they could charge was for actual spiritual stuff since no one had been there long enough to to realize what Scientology was so it wasn't real to people why they would owe them any money.

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Apparently they put the bad policy back, because I and my friends were charged for the training courses we took in the Sea Org. Think I'll show this to my friends and see what they think of it. Maybe they might want to write a letter to Miscavige...

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jiminii wrote: I had to take my Dutch wife to Copenhagen so she could study with her own people because of all misunderstanding she was getting studying seaman's language for running ships.

We couldn't get on the island where Copenhagen was because they wanted us to have enough money to go in and return and live while we are there so the border people were stopping us from crossing on the fairy.

More phenomenon started up with the first time ever hurricane appearing in the North Sea tearing up the coast lines forcing Scientology to come down with all the money they made that week to show the border guards we had enough money so we would be allowed in.

All of this created by me on a postulate that I would use weather or anything else to get anything I wanted on my path to release these upper OT levels.

This is postulating on a general postulate letting the being create whatever it wanted to make it happen.

I thought it was OK because Scientology was about spiritual powers so I assumed they would understand.

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Probably you've put Ron's Org, Miscavige and BR to think with this...

You know the policy in the Sea Org. If in the line of duty you come to fight with another Sea Org member in trying to enforce your production, then no disciplinary actions will be taken and Sea Org must pay for the hospital costs.

This means Copenhagen should pay for the damages caused by that "first time ever hurricane" appearing in the North Sea...

Can imagine LRH saying, "gee, the fleet has no chance against this guy"...
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Jiminii, I asked a person in a secret FB group for research to read this thread, and he asked me the question who is the "black forces" described in this paragraph from your first post:

"The first original time we went though this period of time LRH had started his research and went as far as he could and died. What happened after that was this technology went two ways. It went to the higher levels of Scientology in another part of this universe and it went to Black Scientology that was created by the reptilians and others in the future. At the same time LRH was creating this research the dark forces that were on the planet were busy creating Mind Control that would eventually be used to take over the entire galaxy and in the future the entire galaxy was in terror."
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It would be the aliens off planet that controlled the governments and created mind control

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Hello you two ... I am pausing here for a moment to gather myself for what will most likely be my last post on this subject. Yup, most likely will. So I allow myself to be blunt, to address a few issues and then let go, completely and totally.

When I read your posts, this is to the both of you it feels like you both are doing what you were trained to do. You continue with the belief system (BS) the LRH somehow is the only dude or the best dude or the ultimate dude to have an understanding about creation. You both do what almost every person I have met within Sci-fi-tology or Ron's Org does... quote Ron as the ultimate authority; Ron said this, Ron said that, etc. And Ron is eating it up, I am quite sure he, if he is a disincarnate and was able to maintain any integrity is eating this type of adoration up, sort of loosh like, think?

I am just going to say what comes into my mind and through my fingers here, to clear up some pretty big assumptions.

Aleister Crowley, um? The responses were expected, they are the same ones tone and content that all sci-fi-tologists use. I certainly did not say that he was bad, evil nor am I personally "afraid" of this man's work. He did what he did and he paid a price. When I was first awakening I read his work in my search for who I am and what was going on in the "abnormal" events of my life. So please don't spin, please. Adding adjectives and conjectures into any conversation will turn it circular, something I avoid. The point is that Ron took a lot of Aleister's research, practiced ritual with some heavy duty fucking entities and IMHO thought he could outsmart the devil, and paid a price too, just my opinion, one I value. ;)

jiminii, we moved you posts on PA to a private sub forum not because BR didn't want your "findings" to be published to a wider audience. There were a lot of people who wanted you off the forum all together and you were taking up an inordinate amount of time by posting everywhere and interrupting other threads. You know I love you and you also know, or will recall how many Skype chats and calls we had and all I ever tried to get you to hear was you couldn't hear or see this fact... It was myself primarily with the support of a few of your friends that argued to keep you on PA and so we came up with the idea of a private sub forum, it wasn't to shut you up it was to keep you from running amuck all over the other the place.

Native State or Natural Clear is not an elevated state at all, if we analyze this we can see that there are many possible reasons a human being on planet Earth can have extra-ordinary abilities, or perceive that they do. A psychotic break with reality is one. I don't say this with tongue-in-cheek I say it with a certain respect even, some of the most original thinkers made this passage. Another possibility is mind control, overlays and all sorts of messing around with the perceptions, especially if a person isn't grounded. Again IMHO, "the tech" at the induction stage of the OT levels is laden with triggers that a susceptible person will not notice. My statement that I perceive a certain innocence does not equate with Natural Clear or Native State.

I shiver at the thought that natural clears, those beings coming into this reality for the first time or had their minds wiped would assume the positions of power or acquire abilities to literally decide what to do and do it ... um? Pure Theta, I myself would really have to give some pretty deep thought to this, not only as a potential for positive works but the potential to really mess things up. Like boys with big toys and no restraint who knows what damage could be done?

In all of Ron's work he left out Sophia, he left out wisdom, he left out the Divine Feminine. He disregarded the body totally, abused women and his own children. Ron was an elitist, the Tech is hierarchal in structure and pure power corrupts absolutely. So I will take on the tone of Her, the Mother as I am wont to do given certain situations. My memories are of my being part of the creation of the Earth, of endless cycles of creation within the dream of the great aeon, Sophia and her consort... I have been here from the beginning, have seen the cycles and been part of the mistakes as well as the deeper initiations, the reason I am here now is to Be, and help where I am called, to humble myself and stop being so stupid. Ron fucked up big time, he installed another BS with all the arrogance of an idiot. He has some more work to do.

cuitlahuac, on dragons and me being on the front line in the Solar System and Galaxy fighting tyranny. That was quite a statement and one I would never attribute to myself, it made me laugh and gives me entry to speak about plasma Beings and energy. Though let me first say that I am not on the front line, I am pulling up energy from the background and doing all I can to speak Truth, to shine a light into dark corners and find and live with the innate beauty in the organic realms.

As Spirits in matter we are innately born with certain abilities, ALL BEINGs are given these same potentialities. Personally I have come to see that any person, organization, grouping that uses manipulation or grandiose statements of abilities is without Wisdom and is lacking depth, lacking experience. When a Being RETURNS to or RECALLS its natural state having been through all the cycles, games, when it has finally let go of all BS (belief systems) it will Be free. My own moment called NOW is letting me speak, letting me know that all identity with systems, personages and ego-self is the testing ground of who we first were and will ultimately BE. When we let go of all of it, the past and future, when the traumas are healed and The Soul is integrated, home with Spirit, wisdom is a single drop, liquid light ... the dragons that hold the polarities of duality equally within are the creator souls. They are waking now within each of us.

Final comment on a meme: "That the Elite (initiated into a BS) must not share certain information with those who aren't. They must protect these innocent ones, make it "safe" for them, filter the information they have access to." This is pure dogma, and it is crap.
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That is amazingly stated.

Christine is the wonderful type of person who gives genuine encouragement and gratitude for any type of positive creative effort.

Receiving a chastisement from her truly can be a person's last chance to save a situation or to wake up just enough to see the truth, in other words, it is an honor that an accomplished and active person takes the time to critically explain, to show us Why and Why Not.

That is the voice of experience and wisdom IMO. That is why I look up to her and Spiritwind so much.


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I see everything you see too Christine. I post only what is me and I was trying to get a point across.
I have no idea how many Natural Clears there are on the planet. My own perception of the million more timelines that popped up in the auditing session at the time was a complete mystery. Someone else was paying the auditing because he wanted to know. The other would have thrown me completely off base because she and others believed I was another LRH. So on that question if I was LRH, I answered both yes and no and got a floating needle on both. I had a chance to go to Thailand and work as an English teacher, but the real reason I went was because I couldn't let these people lead me into their own attempt to use me to solved their own attacks from Scientology. This girl was being sec checked, security check, and didn't want to disclose that she had another body on another planet that another LRH was opening up Scientology on. She attested all the way to OT 30 and with floating needles and floating tone arms when they stopped it and caved her in by telling her to start at OT1. She says she can't do OT1 because it violates policy, meaning you can damage your case by doing OT levels a second time, after you've already completed it before.

So she hunts everything LRH wrote and finds the time track of theta tapes where LRH actually says there is another LRH on another planet doing Scientology. Now question is, why the commands for locating your other timelines are on the tapes and why they never put them on the gradation chart and deliver these processes. And she would be willing to take me off track so she could have a verification to try to prove she has another body on another planet where another LRH is doing Scientology and her attest to OT 30 being valid.

I couldn't stay in USA and chose to go to Thailand because I couldn't put all these other timelines together in my head in the proper perspective, and I wasn't going to let them throw in their thoughts on it just to satisfy their purpose for using me and putting me in a situation where I would be looking in the wrong places from there on out.

So yes I agree with Christine on the fact that I have seen all these ODD ways to handle a case when it comes up that something else can be true but they decide to not look at it.

So this means the standard tech isn't standard, because they will hide it if it doesn't match their reality.

In Thailand in September 11 2012 when I listened to Alex Collier talk about this time period as having already happened and we are returning to this time to prevent this Galaxy from being taken over in the future with mind control I woke up.

The chain of thoughts I've had for years and flashes that it is possible I came from the future because I knew what LRH was going to come out with before he presented it. So many things I had thoughts on it before it happened made me wonder if it was possible I came from the future.

So now Christine, I looked at your post on Corey Goode and you asked if you could get an honest opinion on what you had done with him, and I am only asking the same request.

Do I have to make a new thread on this? I was finally able to put all these timelines in the proper perspective after I had that one piece of data.

I am not asking people to come up with 100,000 opinions based off what they read, or heard or think about LRH.

This is me saying it from my own research, and I can leave all LRHs reference out. I am saying what I know from my own experience and this data is no where to be found in Scientology as far as I know. If you can show me anything that talks about us entering the physical universe in another time by going out of this universe to a complete void and back then please tell me.

But don't reference it after LRH dropped his body and Ron's org came up with it before me. I already said to Ron's org I had already done it before Ron's org even existing and all they said was they had the level called superstatic rundown that is the same that I done. I can literally say LRH knew it too, and that's why they didn't allow me any auditing. Their trick was to use me to make their stats and never let me know the OT levels I had because they would be afraid I would run away since there isn't anything they got that I need.

But I left anyway because I'm not going to work for them free.

So I guess I will start another thread. This is about me and the future that can only be proven by having done every single ability that Is written on Ron's org gradation chart before Ron's org existed.


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jiminii ... you don't need to start another thread. I really do appreciate your efforts, as you are aware, if what you have seen and gone through is confusing for you, it is even more so for your audience.

What happens when a person makes statements of their reality without qualifying them, ie: this is what happen and I am not sure what to make of it, well that tends to leave others more confused and in some cases they feel they need to confront you on where your information is coming from.

Actually what you have gone through really isn't any more strange than many others and we are all finding ways to try and see our way clear through. That said you do have some bizarre experiences to share. It is difficult to separate out what is your own research when the subject of the thread is "The truth of LRH L. Ron Hubbard", rather takes a persons focus to the man. I said I wouldn't speak more about him and I won't.

I strongly feel that the 'collaborative we' will start seeing how timelines were changed and what actually happen. For myself I have been unraveling so many threads of ideologies and belief systems, taking every opportunity to question everything and yet not throw out the baby with the bath water.

When I hear Jim come through, when I feel you as the being you are, you are likable and as I said previously have a certain innocence. Like yourself I am a proponent that we have been bamboozled out of our natural abilities, fooled and hoodwinked. Like yourself I know we can move mountains, my only question, the only one I ask myself relentlessly is whether I am in harmony, in organic flow and listening deep enough or if my ego, my fears or a personal agenda or a belief system is taking the drivers seat. That for me is why I quote LRH (though I think he snaffled that statement from someone else, but then I don't believe in ownership of truth).

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jiminii wrote:I see everything you see too Christine. I post only what is me and I was trying to get a point across.
I have no idea how many Natural Clears there are on the planet. My own perception of the million more timelines that popped up in the auditing session at the time was a complete mystery. Someone else was paying the auditing because he wanted to know. The other would have thrown me completely off base because she and others believed I was another LRH. So on that question if I was LRH, I answered both yes and no and got a floating needle on both. I had a chance to go to Thailand and work as an English teacher, but the real reason I went was because I couldn't let these people lead me into their own attempt to use me to solved their own attacks from Scientology. This girl was being sec checked, security check, and didn't want to disclose that she had another body on another planet that another LRH was opening up Scientology on. She attested all the way to OT 30 and with floating needles and floating tone arms when they stopped it and caved her in by telling her to start at OT1. She says she can't do OT1 because it violates policy, meaning you can damage your case by doing OT levels a second time, after you've already completed it before.

So she hunts everything LRH wrote and finds the time track of theta tapes where LRH actually says there is another LRH on another planet doing Scientology. Now question is, why the commands for locating your other timelines are on the tapes and why they never put them on the gradation chart and deliver these processes. And she would be willing to take me off track so she could have a verification to try to prove she has another body on another planet where another LRH is doing Scientology and her attest to OT 30 being valid.

I couldn't stay in USA and chose to go to Thailand because I couldn't put all these other timelines together in my head in the proper perspective, and I wasn't going to let them throw in their thoughts on it just to satisfy their purpose for using me and putting me in a situation where I would be looking in the wrong places from there on out.

So yes I agree with Christine on the fact that I have seen all these ODD ways to handle a case when it comes up that something else can be true but they decide to not look at it.

So this means the standard tech isn't standard, because they will hide it if it doesn't match their reality.

In Thailand in September 11 2012 when I listened to Alex Collier talk about this time period as having already happened and we are returning to this time to prevent this Galaxy from being taken over in the future with mind control I woke up.

The chain of thoughts I've had for years and flashes that it is possible I came from the future because I knew what LRH was going to come out with before he presented it. So many things I had thoughts on it before it happened made me wonder if it was possible I came from the future.

So now Christine, I looked at your post on Corey Goode and you asked if you could get an honest opinion on what you had done with him, and I am only asking the same request.

Do I have to make a new thread on this? I was finally able to put all these timelines in the proper perspective after I had that one piece of data.

I am not asking people to come up with 100,000 opinions based off what they read, or heard or think about LRH.

This is me saying it from my own research, and I can leave all LRHs reference out. I am saying what I know from my own experience and this data is no where to be found in Scientology as far as I know. If you can show me anything that talks about us entering the physical universe in another time by going out of this universe to a complete void and back then please tell me.

But don't reference it after LRH dropped his body and Ron's org came up with it before me. I already said to Ron's org I had already done it before Ron's org even existing and all they said was they had the level called superstatic rundown that is the same that I done. I can literally say LRH knew it too, and that's why they didn't allow me any auditing. Their trick was to use me to make their stats and never let me know the OT levels I had because they would be afraid I would run away since there isn't anything they got that I need.

But I left anyway because I'm not going to work for them free.

So I guess I will start another thread. This is about me and the future that can only be proven by having done every single ability that Is written on Ron's org gradation chart before Ron's org existed.


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There are many things I want to say. But if I say them without reference to actual events then someone will say it's all supposition and BS. So I only said the actual things I did do that happened and I used the things I learned in the Phoenix Lectures that taught me how to postulate. So what I can say is, by me practicing the things I learned from that book I was able to make my postulates more accurate.
But I didn't get the ability for my thoughts constantly happening from his book. All of that turned on long before I ever knew anything about LRH or his technology.

The only way to put it together in the right context is start from the beginning. I will only use what I actually learned that worked for me that I got from reading his books. I never had any processing from them to obtain any ability that I got. I had one process done on me which is called integrity processing.

Integrity processing has questions of all the counter-survival things you have done. The question she asked was, "what have you had to do with jail.". This question went all the way to the point where to go earlier I would have to go to a past life. There was no earlier. I had been constantly plagued by police putting me in jail for stupid reasons like, singing in the park 10 minutes after 10 PM in Washington square New York because I didn't see the sign that posted it, or being let off by someone when hitchhiking on the other side of the sign that says, " no hitchhiking on the freeway." The police said, " we saw you on the other side of the sign.", and they will put you in jail for trying to walk off the freeway because that was where they let me off of the car.

So I literally had to do something to cause the meter to react so she would say, "that.", to trigger me to go back and look. But I didn't go back. I went completely out of the physical universe to a complete nothing and abruptly back into another time and it is a complete shock to suddenly have every known perception shut off and turn back on in another time and repeat the same thing returning back to the body. This is because the meter was reading one of my other timelines incidents, because I had no incidents that would go previous using this orb I'm using because this orb is a new orb created out of source that has no past memories to look at, so the being I AM looked for an incident on one of my other timelines to answer her question.

I had to cause the meter to react each time by putting something on a flow through my head to make the meter react so she would say, " that", to trigger me to go back each time to finally erase the incident.

The result of erasing one of my other timelines incident was this. I never was bothered by police again ever.

So let's look at that as a truth. It solved a problem I had in my life. So if I am really another timeline of LRH/Maitreya what do you think happened to just doing this one session? The being that is observing this from the future realized I can't be audited or LRH himself, (being another me), realized it and put out some order to stop me from ever getting auditing again or training that would allow me to find out myself.

What is going on here, RIGHT HERE???? They absolutely NEED me in the Sea Org to test out all these abilities I was sent back with so they could see the result to what they were testing out in the future with me being here in this time for whatever reasons they were doing it for. Why would they have me test out everything that is delivered at Ron's org in 3 different orgs that I went to to prove it out??? I was just sent here to test out the abilities going back in time so they could create the processing and training they are doing in Ron's org now.

Now if I can't say this as my experience with everyone coming in trying to destroy it with their own upsets or theories or disinformation, then who is going to validate it as a truth or even look because they are here to attack anything that would get people free.

So I have to go through all of it step by step all of the experiences I went through that actually happened and TRY to get others to just LOOK instead of automatically attacking it.

That is why I could get most of this sorted out in the sub forum because we wouldn't let the attackers in to destroy it.

I am coming in with a conclusion to all this research to Christine's website to the raw public to see what they will do with the data. Will they attack it because that's what they do or are paid to do or will they honestly LOOK and ask questions so we can clear all this up.

Can we do this???? Make an honest attempt to view my actual experience and see what is obviously true??? And if it is honestly viewed others can use this data to experiment with and see if it will work for them too???

I'm not getting paid for this. It's totally free. I can give everyone the data, I have, to learn how to make their thoughts happen and prove it themselves. Do you think I need security for this. I absolutely KNOW for a fact people could try to create evil intentions with this data and try to create another black art. But the fact is they are already doing this and have already done this and what was the result? They are losing at it and all their years are wasted and it will take years to repair them so they are only hurting themselves.

So I'm not worried about giving out data that could help change everyone's future. It's up to them what future will be created and if they want to eventually end up being slaves to an evil society, then it is a result of them trying to cheat their way through and not honestly try to learn it honestly, because their future absolutely depends on being the most honest person possible because if they don't, it will keep coming back at them not from anyone else's works, it is their own creations from their own dishonesty.

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