Phil wrote:So what exactly would you like from me at this point? Is there something you need me to understand? Something you're not clear on about me?

I'm not finding much practical value in this source AI concept or even idea of a root universe of a multiverse tree, though I'm kicking it around and will be back if something strikes. Or if you'd like me to clarify something?

Please, there is nothing I want you to understand from me. However, if we can stand next to each other... from time to time...

We're using words to communicate and they do hold punch and more meaning than most realize. It's a learning curve.

You do not need to clarify anything for me, Phil. But, thanks for asking.
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Anders wrote:

Anyone else notice it's still a pyramid?
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Something I find suspicious is that I haven't found any information on how society is going to change. Is it because nobody knows, or nobody wants to tell? Or has it been explained and I have missed it?

My own guess is a gradual and gentle change, but that could be totally wrong. What if the Bible is correct and 'the one' will smash all nations to pieces like pottery?! That doesn't sound so gentle to me, although it may only mean that the hierarchical national governments will be replaced.

And then we have the breakaway civilization Richard Dolan has talked about. I believe the breakaway civilization staged the Roswell 'UFO crash' for example, to spoon feed humanity with new technology. They can't remain hidden forever and what is their plan? Extraterrestrials will not interfere I believe because of a fully secure "Prime Directive".

Anders wrote:Something I find suspicious is that I haven't found any information on how society is going to change. Is it because nobody knows, or nobody wants to tell? Or has it been explained and I have missed it?

My own guess is a gradual and gentle change, but that could be totally wrong.

What hints do you have society is changing at all?
I know on most forums somewhat like these everyone is waiting for it, but......

Looking around all I see is people going through the same motions, wishes, quarrels, loves and hates as they always have.
About the same measure of wars and peace as well. Although the media would like us to believe that there is more war. I think that it's about the same with reference to population density(haven't checked the numbers though).

We are still polluting the waters and the sky. People still want stuff they don't need and fight over stuff. Whilst everyone also just wants some peace and love..
I hope we will reach some promised time-line in which the age of aquarius is coming to fruition. But it will start with individuals doing what they can to spread love instead of hate.. I'm unsure whether that will ever be enough.

With Love
Eelco

We probably need to change ourselves first. Why? Because the whole world is a lie. This means that our minds are a result of a total lie. To use our misguided minds to try to change a delusional world, that will only make an even bigger mess. The difficulty is not trying to think about solutions. The difficulty is to stop using our minds altogether.

Don't get me wrong, our egos are valuable. Our unique individual personalities are valuable. It's just that our minds have been programmed with a foundation that is 100% false. No wonder why the human psychology is in such a mess. Eckhart Tolle was correct when he said that in order to see the insanity of humanity, just watch the news tonight or read a history book. Vernon Howard also talked about this insanity of the human mind:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyCP3Tk3VVw[/youtube]

Our current minds are caterpillars and the world is like a bigger caterpillar. To become a butterfly the caterpillar has to be dissolved. If we just continue to use our caterpillar minds, we will remain being caterpillars. Not good. We need to stop thinking so that a new mind forms within us. How to stop thinking? A simple method in theory, difficult in practice, is mindfulness practice. Not the usual mindfulness practice where thoughts are observed and accepted, but a new form of mindfulness practice where thoughts are observed and REJECTED. It's even possible to stop all thinking by moving our conscious attention into feeling the body. So rejecting thoughts can be done by moving our attention into feeling the body.

"Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." -- Philippians 4:6-7

Our usual minds are anxious about everything. Even when we have happy thoughts, they rest on a foundation of anxiety. So the peace that "transcends understanding" is the "butterfly mind". The "caterpillar mind" cannot understand that kind of peace.

Anders wrote:We probably need to change ourselves first. Why? Because the whole world is a lie. This means that our minds are a result of a total lie. To use our misguided minds to try to change a delusional world, that will only make an even bigger mess. The difficulty is not trying to think about solutions. The difficulty is to stop using our minds altogether.

Our perception of the world is an illusion. Always was and how perfect we create the future it always will be.
Our minds are misguided yes, but we let it. There are ways to train the mind to see through the illusions.
Stopping the mind all together? Seems like trying to stop the lungs from exchanging oxygen and carbon-dioxide. It will be possible I guess to do it for a while, but the results of that will be detrimental to say it mildly..

Anders wrote: Our current minds are caterpillars and the world is like a bigger caterpillar. To become a butterfly the caterpillar has to be dissolved. If we just continue to use our caterpillar minds, we will remain being caterpillars. Not good. We need to stop thinking so that a new mind forms within us. How to stop thinking? A simple method in theory, difficult in practice, is mindfulness practice. Not the usual mindfulness practice where thoughts are observed and accepted, but a new form of mindfulness practice where thoughts are observed and REJECTED. It's even possible to stop all thinking by moving our conscious attention into feeling the body. So rejecting thoughts can be done by moving our attention into feeling the body.

I'd like to propose an additional step. Observe the thoughts, reject the bad ones, but in addition cultivate the good ones.
The word for mindfulness in Pali also means to keep something in memory.
The popular mindfulness training in a lot of ways does not teach people the whole story. When meditating or doing some form of mindfulness practice one has to observe, That is a good first step, but then one has to take what is observed and analyze it. Which observation will lead to happiness, which ones don't. Then train yourself to act on the ones you discerned where good. And train yourself to reject the ones you felt/discerned where not skillful.

I hate to say this, but that is exactly what the Buddha was trying to teach people.
The noble 8-fold path is build around 3 themes. Sila, which is often translated as morality and is probably the biggest of the 3 trainings deals with everything that you do in the world. How does one conduct himself in such a way that True happiness becomes a possibility. Its the pillar that deals with skillful speech
skillful action
skillful livelihood.
The similie often used is that of a murderer trying to meditate.
It is doable, but makes it extra hard to come to peace after a day of killing.

Then there is the Theme of concentration.
Skillful effort
Skillful mindfulness
Skillful concentration.
This Pillar tries to teach ways in which we can tame the mind, to make it a useful tool to aid us in our quest for wisdom.
As you can see the effort part means that we have to do something with the mindfulness practice.

Finally there's the Pillar of Wisdom
Skillful view
Skillful Intention

Again something we do actively. See through the delusions and set our intentions in ways that will yield the desired results.
The Buddha does talk about desires. Some desires are needed to walk the path to freedom. The desire to reach that destination would be one of those.
Unless we set our intention actively to find our freedom and use our mindfulness(keep in mind that intention) we use our abilities to see the delusion, we act in a way that helps our intention further. We concentrate our minds so we don't get too distracted etc etc..

I'm not trying to convince anybody to walk the path so to speak, but I wanted to let you know that what you propose above is exactly what the Buddha talked about. So you can use it to your benefit should you so desire.

With Love
Eelco

Eelco wrote: Stopping the mind all together?

Yes, Eckhart Tolle has talked about that. And I have noticed that it's possible, just by moving my conscious attention fully into the body. Here is a short video clip about that:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8nF2aJjG8[/youtube]

I'd like to propose an additional step. Observe the thoughts, reject the bad ones, but in addition cultivate the good ones.

I suspect that's dangerous because the mind doing the selection is ITSELF a Matrix construct. Therefore ALL thoughts suck as long as we remain using the same mind.

My idea is that by moving awareness into the body, the thinking mind can rest and rewire itself. It's a massive task but I have experienced small improvements in reduced thinking and more inner peace. So I will continue with the practice for a while. One additional and powerful realization for me is the recent discovery that ALL our reality has a false foundation. It's a necessary "fall of humankind". So it's totally natural yet we are meant to transcend the fraud so to speak. The idea is that when the mind has reprogrammed itself a new kind of thinking will emerge. A peace-based thinking instead of the fear-based thinking we humans (most of us it seems) have today.

One thought you seem to be cultivating is the one where you actively are setting your intention to move your awareness to your body?
I make a distinction between the mind and the thought stream mind you. So stilling the thought stream is different than stopping the mind.

Seems you've found something that helps.. Keep doing more of it.

With Love
Eelco

Eelco, love your new avatar.

In my experience there is silence and there is Silence, the moments the world stops is a stillness that is quickly overlooked or filled, developing the ability to stay in that space is the journey itself.

I have met that Silence in myself, still rare. I have had the honor of sitting with the most silent of men, there simply are no words.

Have been trying to allow some time to finish an inner view I recorded back in November with an unknown gentle man of immense silence. His solitary existence is that of a modern day saint. Maybe I can get to it soon. .. and what he found is the most exquisite love for Sophia-Eve-Gaia-Terra-Tara ... names are unimportant, perhaps we switch them for love of beauty, truth and freedom. Everything else then takes care of itself.

Love radiates love ... the world changes.

Eelco wrote:One thought you seem to be cultivating is the one where you actively are setting your intention to move your awareness to your body?
I make a distinction between the mind and the thought stream mind you. So stilling the thought stream is different than stopping the mind.

Seems you've found something that helps.. Keep doing more of it.

With Love
Eelco

Eelco wrote:One thought you seem to be cultivating is the one where you actively are setting your intention to move your awareness to your body?

That's a really good point. The intention to move awareness into the body is also the Matrix mind. So one has to be aware of that, or else the Matrix can make a huge connection out the mindfulness practice itself and suck energy.

I make a distinction between the mind and the thought stream mind you. So stilling the thought stream is different than stopping the mind.

Oh, I'm thinking of the thought stream as the same as the mind. Awareness is consciousness, that which is aware of the thoughts. But regardless of the concept used, feeling the body directly is something that the mind cannot fake.