Peter Gilliam paid for this auditing in 2010 where he was a friend to my friend Cathy who is the one pushing him to do it because she had been stopped in attesting to OT 30 and sent back to OT 1 to force her to pay for States she already done with another timeline on another planet.
I assume they were already being infiltrated and didn't want this part of Scientology to be acknowledged, and why they were not even using the processes on those tapes because then everyone could find out the truth investigating all the other timelines on and off planet.
So now I can see them using standard tech to hide the truth as well, saying if Ron didn't approve it then it is squirrel. Looking at it now I see he's gotten it so none of it can be corrected if he's not here, but now we hear there is another LRH at Ron's org correcting it.
The very useful tool of putting out so much disinformation is to keep everyone from looking either way.
jiminii
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Jiminii, if you are going to bother using the stupid terminology used by Church of Scientology to describe unauthorized teachings, can you at least attempt to define your slang, such as the derogatory term "squirrel"? Instead of assuming others will actually do the work of looking up the nutty and abusive language favored by this religion?
I feel like you are just trying to drown out more normal conversations by repeatedly bumping 10+ page threads about people so dishonest that we don't even know if they are dead or alive.
Sorry to sound closed minded, just trying to be helpful.
Do you have one single interest outside the teachings of this person who is taking up so much of your days from the wrong side of the grave?

I feel like you are just trying to drown out more normal conversations by repeatedly bumping 10+ page threads about people so dishonest that we don't even know if they are dead or alive.
Sorry to sound closed minded, just trying to be helpful.
Do you have one single interest outside the teachings of this person who is taking up so much of your days from the wrong side of the grave?

Brotherhood falls asunder at the touch of fire!
He finds his fellow guilty of a skin
Not coloured like his own, and having power
To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
~William Cowper
He finds his fellow guilty of a skin
Not coloured like his own, and having power
To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
~William Cowper
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Definitions:
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Technical Dictionary:OPERATING THETAN,
5. a being at cause over matter, energy, space, time, form and life. Operating comes from "able to operate without dependency on things" and thetan is the Greek letter theta (ø), which the Greeks used to represent "thought" or perhaps "spirit" to which an "n" is added to make a new noun in the modern style used to create words in engineering.
1. a thetan exterior who can have but doesn't have to have a body in order to control or operate thought, life, matter, energy, space and time. willing and knowing cause over life, thought, matter, energy, space and time. And that would of course be mind and that would of course be universe.
Attest: declare before an auditor or scientology practitioner who is registering the state of mind of the person.
OT 17-33, Games Master, Super Static RD [rundown] The "Games Master" Course or "Boots in the Sky" handles any tendency to go on a dwindling spiral again. Administrative levels. [http://freezone.najbjerg.info/documents ... ge_uk.html]
STATIC, 1. a static is something without mass, without wavelength, without time, and actually without position. That’s a static and that is the definition of zero. 3. an actuality of no mass, no wave-length, no position in space or relation in time, but with the quality of creating or destroying mass or energy, locating itself or creating space, and of re-relating time. 6. the simplest thing there is is a static, but a static is not nothingness. These are not synonyms. We speak of it carelessly as a
nothingness. That’s because we say nothingness in relationship to the space and objects of the material universe. Life has a quality. It has an ability.
OT 1 Clear and in good standing, Orientation
CLEAR, 3 . a Clear is not an all-knowing being. A Clear is somebody who has lost the
mass, energy, space and time connected with the thing called mind.
STANDARD TECH, 1. a standardization of processes so that they apply to 100 per cent of the cases to which they are addressed. 2 . the accumulation of those exact processes which make a way between humanoid and OT, the exact method of organizing them, the exact method of delivering them, and the exact repair of any errors made on that route. 4 . standard tech is not a process or a series of processes. It is following the rules of processing.
SQUIRREL, 1. a squirrel is doing something entirely different. He doesn’t understand any of the principles so he makes up a bunch of them to fulfill his ignorance and voices them off and gets no place. 2 . those who engage in actions altering Scn, and ofbeat practices.
Ron's Org. A Scientology organization founded in Germany by Second Assistant Commodore, Capt. Bill Robertson, after the Church of Scientology was taken over by the Illuminati. Uses the technology of Scientology developed by Ronald Hubbard and developed further Operating Thetan levels up to 48.
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I am no tech person, but got trained in Admin. I think this matter of attesting to OT 30 because she made the levels with "another her" (timeline) on another planet, would be the subject of the Qualifications Division.jiminii wrote:Peter Gilliam paid for this auditing in 2010 where he was a friend to my friend Cathy who is the one pushing him to do it because she had been stopped in attesting to OT 30 and sent back to OT 1 to force her to pay for States she already done with another timeline on another planet.
I assume they were already being infiltrated and didn't want this part of Scientology to be acknowledged, and why they were not even using the processes on those tapes because then everyone could find out the truth investigating all the other timelines on and off planet.
So now I can see them using standard tech to hide the truth as well, saying if Ron didn't approve it then it is squirrel. Looking at it now I see he's gotten it so none of it can be corrected if he's not here, but now we hear there is another LRH at Ron's org correcting it.
The very useful tool of putting out so much disinformation is to keep everyone from looking either way.
jiminii
My understanding is that it is Ron's Org Qual who has to determine if she has attained the valuable final product of the levels up to OT 30.QUAL, the Qualifications Division where the student is examined and where he may receive cramming (high pressure instruction at his own cost after being found slow in study or when failing his exams.) or special assistance and where he is awarded completions and certificates and where his qualifications as attained on courses or in auditing (Scn counseling) are made a permanent record.
LRH indicates that all the tech he developed and is not canceled by him, is still in use, and that includes those processes in the History of Man lectures that are designed to find other "timelines" of oneself. Even though those processes are not "standard tech" (they are not designed to be applied to all cases) they remain valid processes and as such should be recognized and acknowledged by Qual. Ron's Org Qual, Church of Scientology Qual or American Freezone Qual.
I can only thank you, Kathy, Peter Guillam or Guilham, Trey, and the Ron's Org Director of Processing and the Qual Sec for uncovering Pandora's box with this process.
If Alex Collier made the prediction, in the mid 90's, that the phenomena of the Higher Self" was to be made. So we can say that this event in 2010 was part of that prediction coming to be true.
And may I ask why does this made you take the decision to leave the USA and go to Thailand?
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Thank you for explaining without blowing up. I appreciate your openness.
Brotherhood falls asunder at the touch of fire!
He finds his fellow guilty of a skin
Not coloured like his own, and having power
To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
~William Cowper
He finds his fellow guilty of a skin
Not coloured like his own, and having power
To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
~William Cowper
Re: The truth of LRH L. Ron Hubbard
Because I prefer being in Asia and I did the ESL courses and got the certificates to teach English and Asian are more open to spiritual stuff that is suppressed by Western dogma religions and I found being in a Buddhist country or even India I am more protected from entities that deliberately try to cave in the big being and pull him down. That doesn't happen here and the money I make here puts me in upper middle class and would put me on the street living in USA. Retirement doesn't even pay for a one room apartment in USA.
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Hi jiminii ... thanks for the personal note, I was thinking about you this morning and recalling just how stretched you have been in the physical reality. And the one thing I really want to underline is that during all the hub-bub on PA the one thing that stood out about you was you didn't take things said about you personally, I never saw you do an ad hominem attack. In my mind that shows an aspect of your character that I find admirable.
Empathy, is seeing the energy of the Being versus the sometimes awkward (insert any adjective you like) personality.
Empathy, is seeing the energy of the Being versus the sometimes awkward (insert any adjective you like) personality.
jiminii wrote:Because I prefer being in Asia and I did the ESL courses and got the certificates to teach English and Asian are more open to spiritual stuff that is suppressed by Western dogma religions and I found being in a Buddhist country or even India I am more protected from entities that deliberately try to cave in the big being and pull him down. That doesn't happen here and the money I make here puts me in upper middle class and would put me on the street living in USA. Retirement doesn't even pay for a one room apartment in USA.
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I don't know you Jimini but all I ever read from you is indicative of a deep kindness. As Christine said, I never saw you react negatively and the energy is smooth from you. However, I know that being a dove is not enough to take care of ourselves and by extension THEN care well in the world.Christine wrote: Empathy, is seeing the energy of the Being versus the sometimes awkward (insert any adjective you like) personality.
I am quite enraged by the subject of LRH. IMO he represents all that is monstrous in the 4D landscape where belief (and people can believe the most extraordinary GARBAGE if it sounds a chord that is chiming with inner guilt of PTSD's grief) over-rides even basic survival instincts. That people to this day would agree to be imprisoned by an organization in the name of "saving the world", is LRH's legacy. That current administration has continued the evil (even if amping up the volume) is only BECAUSE of the foundation that was laid
What I perceive is that the most sensitive people are vulnerable to other's sadism. In the extensive study I have done of the LRH, Scientology bio/ histography, the character of LRH was craven, venial and NARCISSM incarnate. He abused every single person he was close enough to touch. The signature of everything that he created was geared towards using people against themselves. IMO he fed not only on money and power but on the human frailities of those he tortured.
The sensitivity that encourages people to question themselves, to feel altrusim, to care deeply for the whole world is IMO dangerous BECAUSE it ends up being the mass naive who keep the monsters fed. The mass naive give themselves to "the machine" (whatever that machine looks like at the time) in weakness and self abdigantion IMO.
I am not blaming the victims because IMO the whole triad is what we can over-rule. I mean the Victim/Savior/Persecutor triad. There is IMO a deep embedded meaningfulness to the seeming war. IMO it is to collapse the meaning of "war". Yes, there is inner conflict that is expressed. It IMO is an energy that is explained and that is channeled in various ways and that we must come to understand and balance.
Unlike some, I am sure that the serpent was not the evil one. The energy of the "serpent" is the one blamed for what the "narcissist" VACUMN DOES. This vacumn sucks the evry life out of everything. It is a self referencing black hole of life-lessness (and IMO these narcissist are entities who LOST soul and SOUL is what makes human from MANKIND). IMO soul is not a one time "acquisition" but being in the stream of some wave of force that takes an attunement...SOUL IS NOT ALL AND NOTHING BUT ONGOING BEING IN).
That we came here to this mess is due to our power to sort it out and it is not to SAVE the earth/Universe and everything but save our own soul capacity in the ongoing stream of being FULL human. IMO the story of the "entities" like LRH is what we came to shut down. Harm is twisting the minds of the doves into a gnarled mess of inner conflicts. That is my take on the dove/serpent story.
Scientology's ability to grab such amazing people and create massive masochism is no different than many other IDEOLOGIES. Humans can trade ideology for reality and we are the only fuel the machine needs. THIS is IMO WHAT WE must GROW beyond.
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Maggie is the master of explication. I am so grateful for her way with words, powerful, simple yet scintillatingly intelligent.
I feel bad for going ragtime on Jiminii. It's not you buddy, it's the circumstance.
I feel bad for going ragtime on Jiminii. It's not you buddy, it's the circumstance.
Brotherhood falls asunder at the touch of fire!
He finds his fellow guilty of a skin
Not coloured like his own, and having power
To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
~William Cowper
He finds his fellow guilty of a skin
Not coloured like his own, and having power
To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
~William Cowper
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P.s. you guys deserve to know why I got So Pissed.
My scieno neighbor let her dog piss and shit on my yard sale stuff recently and my friend Angie's. Then when she actually saw the dog do it she laughed at me and said "its FAIR GAME" twice.
Then an east indian woman with yet another worthless dick dragging non service dog comes to the yard sale, get this, to bitch about people who feed squirrels peanuts. Her dogs name was Mason.
Jiminii I hope that explains why This Week I Hate Them.
My scieno neighbor let her dog piss and shit on my yard sale stuff recently and my friend Angie's. Then when she actually saw the dog do it she laughed at me and said "its FAIR GAME" twice.
Then an east indian woman with yet another worthless dick dragging non service dog comes to the yard sale, get this, to bitch about people who feed squirrels peanuts. Her dogs name was Mason.
Jiminii I hope that explains why This Week I Hate Them.
Brotherhood falls asunder at the touch of fire!
He finds his fellow guilty of a skin
Not coloured like his own, and having power
To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
~William Cowper
He finds his fellow guilty of a skin
Not coloured like his own, and having power
To enforce the wrong, for such a worthy cause
Dooms and devotes him as his lawful prey.
~William Cowper