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Does the Law Serve All People?

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:22 am
by Naga_Fireball
Does the law serve all people?

Many individuals who observe the effects of poverty and classism may find themselves beginning to ask this question.

People who understand math and economics, statistics and psychology, probably realize the pointlessness of this question.

Law deals in absolutes, and life itself deals in sobering limitations.

Life is a collection, a sum of factors including the various resources and pressures available to and exerted upon human beings.

And law is a sword that determines who is cut away from life-giving, life-saving opportunity and acceptance, and cast into the maelstrom of denial and successive punishment. And there is no mercy on that downward path, as each mistake propels its originating soul deeper into Hell.

When social conditions reach the point where the law is wielded clumsily and unfairly, targeting groups rather than crimes, it becomes a destabilizing force rather than empowering social order and the greater good.

Doubt breeds further injustice, and in turn, injustice breeds doubt. Sincerity and honesty perish beneath the burden of presumption and stereotype. Privilege and priority begin to outweigh the noble notion of impartial judgment.

Agents and officers of the law have the responsibility of noticing these trends within the system before corruption causes people to be disgusted and rebel against it.

There is a point at which it is cheaper to cut the tree,and regrow it, to burn the house and rebuild it, rather than confront and deal with the rot.

Thanks for reading.

Re: Does the Law Serve All People?

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:22 pm
by Phil
It's not a pointless question, it's an important one. Many people don't notice how most laws of "civilization" (and the rules of enforcement) are designed to protect property...not people.

Dubya may have said some dumb things and Cheney some downright evil ones...but that don't make em wrong, we've been programmed to respect the authority of the "non-negotiable way of life" that is the "ownership society" that we live in

PS-who is that in your meme in your sig line?

Re: Does the Law Serve All People?

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:11 pm
by Naga_Fireball
Phil, great post; it seems heartfelt and sensible.

The gentleman in the meme is our #1 stand up guy,
FBI Director James Comey, although it could be any guy in trouble judging by his shade of pink. Of course, people who are close to a coronary or just naturally pent up look red a lot.


The ownership society, good phrase.
The situation out here "in the West" is actually looking pretty scary.

I don't want to blame liberalism. But maybe the 1850s pioneer mentality really fouled up WW county. There was no accountability beyond violence and money and racism really, and the lack of soul, the absence of a wholesome purpose, is very apparent no matter how hard our journalists try to make it seem otherwise.

The nature (free but of course has monetary value) and the volunteers etc (free but priceless) are close to being our only saving grace.

Harsh battlefields tend to produce powerful individuals -- but I fear that for many, the price is too high.




Edit: typo

P.s.
FBI, Justice Dept. to be investigated over Clinton probe
By Evan Perez and Daniella Diaz, CNN

Updated 2:04 PM ET, Thu January 12, 2017



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BREAKING NEWS
DOJ internal watchdog launches probe of FBI's handling of investigation into Clinton's private email server.






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FBI clears Clinton in email probe
PHILADELPHIA, PA - JULY 28: Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton acknowledges the crowd as she arrives on stage during the fourth day of the Democratic National Convention at the Wells Fargo Center, July 28, 2016 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton received the number of votes needed to secure the party's nomination. An estimated 50,000 people are expected in Philadelphia, including hundreds of protesters and members of the media. The four-day Democratic National Convention kicked off July 25. (Photo by Jessica Kourkounis/Getty Images)
Fact checking Clinton's public statements on her emails

Trump: Clinton is guilty and she knows it

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Donald Trump: James Comey has guts
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Podesta: Comey 'needs to come forward'
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Conway: 'I never besmirched the reputation' of Comey
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FBI director's letter about new emails in Clinton case

Trump compares Clinton email probe to Watergate
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Hillary Clinton's explanations of her email saga
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Lynch: My views on Comey letter were known
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Warrant sheds light on Clinton email probe
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Obama: Hillary Clinton was not treated fairly
WASHINGTON, DC - SEPTEMBER 27: FBI Director James Comey waits for the beginning of a hearing before the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee September 27, 2016 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. The committee held a hearing on "Fifteen Years After 9/11: Threats to the Homeland." (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)
FBI clears Clinton in email probe
PHILADELPHIA, PA - JULY 28: Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton acknowledges the crowd as she arrives on stage during the fourth day of the Democratic National Convention at the Wells Fargo Center, July 28, 2016 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton received the number of votes needed to secure the party's nomination. An estimated 50,000 people are expected in Philadelphia, including hundreds of protesters and members of the media. The four-day Democratic National Convention kicked off July 25. (Photo by Jessica Kourkounis/Getty Images)

Fact checking Clinton's public statements on her emails

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Story highlights

The announcement comes after criticism of the Justice Department's handling of the investigation
The email controversy a major issue on the 2016 campaign trail

Washington (CNN)The Justice Department's internal watchdog announced Thursday it has launched a probe into the department and the FBI's handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton's private email server.

The announcement, which was expected, comes after criticism of the Justice Department's handling of the investigation, particularly on how the public was notified about the controversy, which was a major issue on the 2016 campaign trail.

Justice Department Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz said the decision to initiate a review was prompted by requests from numerous members of Congress and public inquiries.

Horowitz's office said the review will examine several allegations, including that DOJ or FBI policies were not followed when FBI Director James Comey publicly stated last July that his bureau would not pursue criminal charges against Clinton; that DOJ and FBI employees improperly disclosed non-public information; and that the timing of the FBI's release of certain Freedom of Information Act requests right before the election was improper.

The White House said Thursday it wasn't involved in the decision to investigate.

"Decisions that are made by inspectors general across the administration are independent, and this administration has assiduously protected the independence of inspectors general," White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said at a briefing.

A message left with Clinton's office was not immediately returned. Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who chairs the House Oversight Committee, tweeted his support of the investigation.
CNN's Dan Merica contributed to this report.

Re: Does the Law Serve All People?

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:33 pm
by Naga_Fireball
P.s. Phil, i would have changed the signature but somehow felt maybe mr Comey wasnt done frying

Re: Does the Law Serve All People?

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:58 pm
by Naga_Fireball
P.s. nothing against the man,
We'll have a lot in common on that hot seat.

Re: Does the Law Serve All People?

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:18 am
by Naga_Fireball
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Holeeee shit . . .
FBI, Justice Department to be investigated over Clinton probe
By Stephen Collinson and Evan Perez, CNN

Updated 10:35 PM ET, Thu January 12, 2017
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Would this be
An Anal probe
Lol

Re: Does the Law Serve All People?

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:20 am
by Naga_Fireball
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FOREIGN POLICY
Amid Russia concerns, Comey's closed-door Hill visit results in uncanny silence among lawmakers

Chad Pergram
By Chad Pergram
Published February 18, 2017
FoxNews.com

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Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr, R-N.C., had two main objectives. First, hoof it to the Senate’s Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility as quickly as possible. Secondly, elude reporters.


The Senate was still taking its final vote Friday before a 10-day recess when Burr bounded out of the chamber. He traced a circuitous route, gliding past the Northeast Grand Staircase in the Capitol, making a hard right into the Ohio Clock Corridor, then jogging left again past the Mike Mansfield Room. Burr then strode down a carpeted hallway leading past the hideaway offices of other senators.

The senator boarded an obscure elevator at the end of that hallway that he obviously didn’t use often. He asked a U.S. Capitol Police officer carrying a salad if the elevator went to the SCIF. The elevator didn’t go as far down as Burr needed it to. So he disembarked, resuming his break-neck stride, spilling out into the upper level of the U.S. Capitol Visitor’s Center (CVC).

Burr cut past school children and tourists -- nimbly avoiding the obvious thoroughfare to the SCIF. After all, reporters circled near the precise spot the Intelligence Committee chairman wanted to avoid -- a spiral staircase beneath a skylight close to the Senate subway station that led to the obvious doorway concealing the SCIF.

Burr made his way to an escalator and coasted past the statues of King Kamehameha from Hawaii and Sakakawea from North Dakota. He disappeared behind a set of wooden doors by the CVC appointments desk.

Burr’s quarry was up ahead. A non-descript, double doorway at the end of the hall. All that sheathed the passageway was a six-panel, folding screen that looked like it belonged in the changing room of a high-end department store. Burr rapped his knuckles on the doorway three times to gain ingress. He then disappeared behind the ultimate backdoor on Capitol Hill.

There was a reason behind Burr’s cloak-and-dagger approach. He and other members of the Senate Intelligence Committee had a sub rosa meeting in the subterranean SCIF with FBI Director James Comey. The topic: Russian influence in last fall’s election, leaks and undoubtedly, how someone exposed a phone call between former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and Moscow’s Ambassador to Washington Sergey Kislyak.

Better yet, how did they intercept the call? Was it a mistake? Was Flynn under surveillance? Was there a super-secret warrant authorized by a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court?

Even so, why was the U.S. wiretapping one of its own citizens? FISA law expressly prohibits such eavesdropping. Were the participants on the call “unmasked” because spooks were listening for something else and stumbled upon Flynn on the line?

Flynn is now out of a job but really a bystander in the whole operation.

“I want to know what the Russians have on Donald Trump?” demanded House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

Her fellow Democrats went further, invoking parlance from a malignant era not so long ago.

“Did the president know and when did he know it?” asked House Majority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md.

Whatever the reason, it was enough for Burr to keep the meeting on the Q.T. and slash his way through back hallways just to make the briefing. Congressional sources wouldn’t even confirm on the record that Comey was at the Capitol.

Reporters never would have known Comey was around had the director’s lanky, 6-foot-8-inch frame and robust security detail not betrayed him as he made his way to the conclave.

Soon, other senators came and went from the meeting, but no one would stop to talk or even generally elaborate on the subjects discussed.

“It was a classified briefing,” was all Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, offered.

“We made our non-statement, statement,” declared Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Intelligence committee.

This was truly under the Cone of Silence.

What had overcome the usually loquacious senators? Were they silenced like Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., last week?

The Senate determined Warren violated the body’s sacred “Rule XIX” when she bad-mouthed then-colleague and now Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The Senate then barred Warren from speaking on the floor for the remainder of the debate on Sessions’ nomination.

But after huddling with Comey for more than two hours, the senators didn’t say anything.

They didn’t have to. Their silence said everything.

There are classified briefings. And then there are classified briefings.

There is no issue as white hot in Washington about what’s going on now with Russia, Flynn and potential issues between President Trump and Moscow.

It may be poor form, but lawmakers on both sides of Capitol routinely walk out of classified sessions, stop at a bank of microphones and immediately spill things to the press.

It’s not that they openly cough up classified or sensitive information to reporters. Sometimes the lawmakers grouse that they didn’t learn anything in those briefings that they hadn’t already read in the paper.

One lawmaker privately told Fox several years ago that the worst possible optic is to walk out of a classified briefing, then immediately talk to a scrum of scribes.

Reporters may not like it. But perhaps that’s how it should be following a classified session. Hold your tongue. Play the cards close to your vest. Don’t chatter.

The fact that none of that jawboning unfolded following Friday’s covert Comey confab reveals how vital the session truly was. The reticence revealed how sensitive the information may be.

This is always the challenge when reporting on intelligence matters.

Reporters never have the full story. They can’t. The information is classified. It’s illegal for those in the intelligence community, aides and lawmakers to publicly unveil top-secret material.

And there’s usually a reason when factions inside the
intelligence community go rogue and reveal information to burn a rival. But that’s selective and never the entire story. Those on the outside lack access to additional, contextual material.

Perhaps there’s good justification why actor A did something. Why did actor B do that? Well, there may be a perfectly fine explanation, ensconced inside the classified documents. But the outside world will never know. The other information remains obscured.

More often than not, information deliberately leaked to the press may not even be true. Or at the very least, leakers slightly contour the information to influence public perception and shape the debate.

Those inside the intelligence community know it’s not true. But that’s the problem. They can’t volunteer additional information to countervail the claims without potentially breaking the law. They’re stuck.

These are the black arts of the intelligence world -- performed not just in Washington but in Moscow, Vienna, London, Prague and other capitals.

The leaks about Flynn say a lot about him and his political adversaries.

There were no leaks or even vague comments following Comey’s session. This was a stark contrast to how things usually go down on Capitol Hill.