...a brilliant quote from the excellent song by the White Stripes:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0H8CHPIU[/youtube]

I was triggered to write this in response to a good friend posting her valuable information on psychopathy, because as much as I agree with just about everything she says, there’s one conclusion I not only find very dangerous, it is the exact sort of thing I go after on all other levels, most recently the “breakaway civilization” idea I been bugging anders to expand on (thank you sir!).

Anyways on a private thread at TOT, where perspectives are being shared about what some see as the “sociopathic” behavior patterns of BR and SP, my friend mentions what I think a lot of people in the community don’t even always realize they’re promoting the idea of psychopathy being a “necessary evil”, something placed in our reality as it is required for us for our soul growth.

I see the idea in the “prime directive” type ideas that justify “authority” or more highly evolved conciousnesses protecting us “children” from knowledge we’re not responsible enough to handle…and that’s just the two examples from today…I feel it underlies most important discussions…so here’s what I banged out that I was originally going to add to (private) thread at a different place on a different topic:

I lived a sheltered life, with loving parents, huge amount and variety of support, no handicaps, never a want for anything I needed—but not so spoiled rotten that I couldn’t appreciate what I had/have, and the worst events in my life would hardly qualify as a “trauma” compared to the shit most of you have been through.

I see no utility in choosing a life with psychopaths present, if we really needed a built-in teacher for soul growth, the impermance of these meat bags, the inevitability of the loss of the meatbag that allows for this experience, this us…is plenty, I would think…I sure don’t need to be ass-raped by a pedophile or made a slave to some sick ego…and would be perfectly fine going through eternity missing out on those experiences.

And I feel my perspective is a more valuable and empowering one, than the soul group choosing a role and playing some game. If I’m wrong, living under the belief alleviates some of the suffering, the sould still learns and grows. Your way, which I entertain and recognize is just as valid, enables a belief in the need for an existence of elements in our reality that cause suffering…that leads to self destruction.

If I was psychopath, understanding a reality where “do as thou wilt” at the expense of everyone, that existence is here is for me…I would implant the idea that my victims need me, that my presence serves them. In fact, having those that don’t directly fear them enable my existence may even serve in what I could only guess would be a psychopath’s drive: to experience everything, to live forever.

Which seems to me to show that death of the physical body is a much more universal “soul teacher” than torture and suffering and enslavement. I feel we can learn grow without any of that shit, that the knowledge of death should be enough to drive us to live life to the fullest.

Antogoism, adversity, obstacles….I think all of these become part of reality if we need them. I think beings that create them on purpose, in ways that effect others and are ultimately destructive to themselves and all around them…while it is definitely awesome to come out learning from them, that EFFECT is self-defeating to believe is a CAUSE.

Omg, i love your way with words.
Extremely valid questions here.

Why are we attracted to the bug zapper people user cult leader personalities?

Well, our culture is addicted to pain and voyeurism. Given that scenario it is easy to see how a few expert directors of pain and fear are able to direct so much human energy.

It truly is simply an alternative to msm. Not much better, just a sidegrade with all of the pre existing issues PLUS a lack of privacy.

Sorry if I misunderstood the thread, but it is good work either way.

FWIW.

I think you're right. No such thing as necessary evil in my book.

No need for a Satanic projection over Lucifer.

With Love
Eelco

No naga, I don't think you misunderstood, thanks for the kind words.

I believe that while psychopathy is a type that it’s useful to observe generalities, by taking the extreme of that extreme and applying it to the purpose/motivation of all behavior that can be categorized as such, I'm afraid it’s easy for someone to get confused in what I see as oversimplification.

…so easy, that it seems intentional. Kaiser Soze, the most deceptive movie character in my recent memory, said it best, something like: the greatest trick the devil pulled is convincing us he doesn’t exist.

That’s what I hear when someone says “psychopaths/evil/trauma is necessary…or worse…here to serve us”. NO!

Just because it is true to many that going through it CAN be valuable, does NOT mean God or the advanced civilizations or the universe or you or whatever you believe determines your reality/maintains the matrix/is the reason for existence/whatever put that in your presence. To me, it is definitely not the WHY. Each instance has a reason, I am finding it hard to believe in evil for evil's sake.

The beings that are psychopathic exist. Not as a soul teacher for YOU, but for some (probably identifiable) reason that suits THEM. Whatever did that psychopathic thing most likely exists similarly to how you do, and made a free will choice completely independent of any lessons you may learn from it. We need to be careful not to base our “knowing” it’s reason for existence on bad ideas “they” very well could (should?) have planted.

The mainstream is saturated with so much diverse "information" it is more difficult to untangle. So the "alternative" comes in with seemingly plausibly causes....captured governments and/or archons and/or(in conjunction with?) other civilizations--be ET or ED or advanced humans...is the most popular reasonable sounding narrative we have at the moment. Instead of creating stories to support our most-likely scenario (endlessly describing the EFFECT), we need to be unwinding each incident we can get our hands on to undo the lies we tell ourselves...it's the only I see us able to get to the truth of the real CAUSES

I don't believe that people that embrace the "necessity of trauma" are truly healed. It feels like a justification to me, or maybe I'm seeing the idea in too simplistic of a way?

Of course the trauma was necessity, assuming it actually happened....I mean: it happened! Everything that actually happened was a "necessity" from my point of view, how else would be exactly where are right now

To be satisfied with that rationalization for living in a reality so full of deception that in so many ways it is actually VALUED by us, who I believe are ALWAYS harmed by it.

I don't think it's a necessity that we live in a reality injected with beings and ideas and systems that intentionally cause trauma. There's enough other stuff in this existence to teach us lessons and help us grow. I think ridding this enabling idea from our consciousness is my most important "spiritual guide".

Phil I like you a lot and it's not just beer goggles.

Aw shucks you make me blush! I like you a lot too