Gay energy

[Cristian]

Now that I shown I can start silly threads – like the one with the Confederate flag – with little understanding of American society and the Civil War issues , I feel I can be silly about other things too.
More important ones.


I'm curious why some people are gay.

Considering that everything is energy – why is the energy flowing that way for some ?


Some ideas I want to go into:


Gay energy flow.
Male/female dance in gay relationships.
The switch.
The gift.
The dark gay . All sexuality has dark and perverted aspects in this reality. Gay sexuality is no exception.



Gay energy flow.

One can very easy spot a distinct energy flow. Gay people always say they can “spot” each other.

So what is it? A feminine energy flow in a male body? A masculine energy in a feminine body?

All souls have both masculine/feminine aspects. We can go either way –usually depending on the body we incarnate into. So what's different ?

Are there some kind of a blockages of some chakras ?

The switch.

The switch is an interesting concept. It basically says we incarnate for a number of times only as one sex. And then we switch .
So you are like ten times in a row a woman and then you start a male series of incarnations.

Supposedly the first incarnation after the switch one may be confused and clinging to old energy patterns . Like your soul still has a feminine energy flow and is now in a male body.

I think this are real gay people. The ones that just switched .

So how do we account for the rest ? Mostly trauma induced blockages but also in the dark area we may find reasons why some people are “turned” gay.

This thread needs a gay touch in explaining the energy flow during/after sex and the masculine/feminine dance in this relationships . While I can take a wild guess I may be wrong or inaccurate .


The gift.

The gift I feel it's more like an opportunity . You've been a woman for like 15 lives and now you incarnate in a male body.
This unbalance between your soul energy and the body may provide a glimpse into something else. Into something so profound …

Problem is the hyper sexual reality we live in doesn't allow for much spiritual awareness.
You have to get laid one way or the other .

We are not taught and guided to meditate and contemplate our inner sexual energy.

We have to have sex. The more the better.

From a dark agenda point of view this makes sense. A true gay – feminine energy in a male body; or the other way- may be a force that needs to be dealt with . Let's get them to have sex before they figure something out…


The dark gay


We know there are various beings and dimensions to our existence . All sexual activity has the potential to draw attention . If we don't know what sexual energy is about “they” know.

There are beings (attachments ) that like to get us into an overdrive of sexual energy. A part of them are (for some reason) into gay sex. With a little trauma here and there and some thoughts and impulses that are not really yours...bam ! You (think) are gay!

The corrupted (fake) gay persons may account for a large portion of gay community . I don't know.

It's the sacred masculine / feminine that gets perverted.

And then the special people that have that beautiful unbalance and opportunity ---and are doing nothing with it…:(

[Christine]

It seems it is time to talk sex (again), not just talk sex but to penetrate (excuse the pun) the mystery of what most humans would agree is the strongest energetic/ hormonal drive they experience. Perhaps the only one stronger is survival, both are most likely closely aligned. The dance and release of hormones during climax being the closest most humans get to ecstasy. It is potent mix which is so easily misdirected and abused, gay or not this energy release is seldom utilized for other than momentary pleasure.

Many questions will arise during this discussion, I guess the first one I am asking is; learning to appreciate that everything is energy and what does that experientially indicate? My morning mediation was a journey into the space that is my body, the vastness of it really ... seeing the energetic spin, sensing some discomforts, communing with my cells which took me on a journey of my connectedness with all life forms, but that is a digression of sorts to the immediacy of the question about gay sex.

Sex is commonly known as an act of procreation, so right there gay sex is a divergence with heterosexual sex, the ability to conceive a child and gay sex which can't achieve conception. For religious fundamentalists and from a biological perspective this is seen as a deviance of nature on one hand and god's will on the other both would be considered by many as a sin. Interesting to note how religious orders are fertile grounds for sexual abuses and gay sex, like armies and during wars ... where ever the female has been banned or suppressed it seems that sex between males is proliferated.

I have a dear friend who is gay, he has been very open in his talks with me about sexuality, the attraction he has for men and his partner in particular. As suspected through observing their relationship, they have had multiple lifetimes together, many of them as soldiers on the battle field and several very traumatic ones as Roman soldiers. This mix of war (possible imminent death) and sex is an extremely binding one. It also seems that the fervor of religious orders and the deep sharing experienced in schools of philosophy such as the Greeks also foster the partner bondings of men with men.
There is also a prevalence and an accepted normalcy of multiple partners and group sex.

Female or lesbian sex seems to have different energy markers, is more accepted as natural (related to nature) in the human imagination or at least in mine. The feminine body when viewed as the vessel of creation, her close relationship to the natural world etc. brings about a different feeling of same sex relationships.

Here I am not speaking from an experiential place, it would be interesting to see what others say.

Almost all sexual relationships as far as I have observed or experienced are multilayered and tend to bring up aspects of our bondage (using this word purposely) to our identity as a physical beings along with accompanying amplification of deep emotional responses that range from tender union to jealousy to violence on another. Quite a mix here.

And there are practices of sacred sexuality and tantra. Along with the perversion of those too.

So back to energy ... for myself the important question is also about energy flows. What are the differences of this expression with the sexes? Through open honest observation and experience what is a conscious human being (male or female) aware of during the sexual act? What does a female experience? What does a male experience? Is it the same? Where does love fit into this energetic expression? What about all the astral sex? What dark entities feed off of sexual energy? How aware is any individual of this? What practices feed dark entities such as succubus and incubus?

To explore this will undoubtably bring up many beliefs, triggers, self denials, and most likely traumas related to sex. I would dare to say that the deepest levels of healing our human experience will be found buried within this subject.

[neonblue]

WOW Cristian - you have opened up the space for some amazing personal and collective exploration and debate here! You shouldn't be apologetic for bringing 'sensitive' themes and topics to us - it's refreshing and exciting.

Personally, i just need some room to filter before I respond in the way these deep Q's re our sexuality requires... it's dynamite!

You have my Applause...

[Cristian]

The feminine body when viewed as the vessel of creation, her close relationship to the natural world etc. brings about a different feeling of same sex relationships.

Yes . I feel the same way . (Lesbian ,male fantasies aside )

You also are correct in observing the talk about gay sex is just a door for the bigger issue . SEX.

Yes death too...

It feels a bit silly because so many people figured this things out before us . And to a certain level I feel we already know all the answers . We are just playing the silly card ...for fun

hmm...

[Christine]

I agree we might as well have fun exploring.

Silliness aside ... yes, I sense we do know though the process of bringing this deep inner knowing to the surface and incorporating it in the body vessel is another matter, that many have figured it out may be a stepping stone to something unexpected and new.

The feminine body when viewed as the vessel of creation, her close relationship to the natural world etc. brings about a different feeling of same sex relationships.

Yes . I feel the same way . (Lesbian ,male fantasies aside )

You also are correct in observing the talk about gay sex is just a door for the bigger issue . SEX.

Yes death too...

It feels a bit silly because so many people figured this things out before us . And to a certain level I feel we already know all the answers . We are just playing the silly card ...for fun

hmm...

[Naga_Fireball]

Hi Cristian, very fascinating.
An acquaintance of mine (not someone I know personally) said he came out to his father this week or last. I'm very happy for him although I dont envy the opposition they go through or the traits that constant "war" reinforces (militant?). This dude seems very kind & gentle and good with kids. His dad must have been awful.

In my past I had two gay friends in high school. One was in Texas and very young, openly gay and sexually active sophomore. My father didnt appreciate me bringing him over to work on a school video... Oops!

But I moved to a different state & highschool when Y2K hit. I fell in love with a young man my age who had a very overbearing mother. We were about 16. He was shy about women but nothing else. Asked me to prom and we broke each others hearts with awkwardness. His mom bitched him out about sex before he picked me up and my grandma put an ugly shawl over my dress.

The day after

[Naga_Fireball]

PS phone messed up



The next school day my English teacher tried to comfort me because he knew what was going on lol. But he couldn't tell me the other student was gay.

I still miss that kid and have feelings for him. We got cast as the MacBeths the next year which was funny, but the English teacher was jealous and didnt come to rehearsal.

Not sure how many love triangles we had going but it was awful.

Still wish I'd done stuff for him when I had the chance cause I'll always wonder if it was kind of my fault he went that way, guess that's silly

He works on Pennsylvania ave now for a superpac

[Cathryn]

Does anyone think the 'Anima & Animus' can have a bearing on orientation, idk but it seems to me it could.

Secondly, we leave behind at birth that part of us which is represented by the oposite gender, the other half of the androgyne so to speak, we reject it within us in heterosexual relations. Does it have a voice is gay relationships?

just some thoughts....

[Cristian]

The anima and animus can be identified as the totality of the unconscious feminine psychological qualities that a man possesses or the masculine ones possessed by a woman, respectively. It is an archetype of the collective unconscious and not an aggregate of father or mother, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, or teachers, though these aspects of the personal unconscious can influence the person for good or ill.

Because a male's sensitivity is often lesser or repressed, the anima is one of the most significant autonomous complexes of all. It is said to manifest itself by appearing in dreams. It also influences a man's interactions with women and his attitudes toward them and vice versa for women and the animus. Jung said that "the encounter with the shadow is the 'apprentice-piece' in the individual's development...that with the anima is the 'masterpiece'".[1] Jung viewed the anima process as being one of the sources of creative ability.

Jung believed anima development has four distinct levels, which he named Eve, Helen, Mary and Sophia. In broad terms, the entire process of anima development in a man is about the male subject opening up to emotionality, and in that way a broader spirituality, by creating a new conscious paradigm that includes intuitive processes, creativity and imagination, and psychic sensitivity towards himself and others where it might not have existed previously.

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[Christine]

Does anyone think the 'Anima & Animus' can have a bearing on orientation, idk but it seems to me it could.

Secondly, we leave behind at birth that part of us which is represented by the oposite gender, the other half of the androgyne so to speak, we reject it within us in heterosexual relations. Does it have a voice is gay relationships?

just some thoughts....

I would say most definitely yes to the above question, yet in a balanced human being the Anima and Animus are both vital aspects of Self. A question one can ask is; what propels a spiritual being incarnated in an Earthly vessel toward same-gender sex, is it genetics or the petri dish of the environment? We certainly seem to be in a world at war with itself?

I don't see heterosexual sexual relations so much as a rejection of the androgyne as much as a seeking of union, bliss even. So ...

There is a little piece of matter that has been discussed elsewhere, and that is that creation as it is manifest is inherently female, matter is mater is mother. We seem to be circling something we are seeking.

Robert Morningsky has a lot to say about this, whether one agrees with him or not is another matter. He basically is saying that science supports that all males are genetically altered females.

http://robertmorningsky.com/forhersake3.html#top

*excuse me if we are veering off-course from the intent of the OP.