The truth of LRH L. Ron Hubbard

[cuitlahuac]

Not only is jim's savior story of being a "natural clear" (from the future and directly from source ala Inelia Benz) able to bop up to source and back down to any time/place he wants (or is needed or whatever) being promoted/affirmed here, but realeyes and Karelia are ok with him projecting that (or something damn close) on to them as well? Did I miss something?

As far as I can see, jiminii and Karelia have been doing work in the spiritual arena that is very beneficial to this planet. It is like the job the Galactic Federation has been doing in fighting the reptilians and regressive ETs.

What I understand in the case of realeyes, is that she is a person who naturally and independently understands all those phenomena and is at the level of perception and power as are jiminii and Karelia.

[Christine]

cuitlahuac, thank you so much for posting here. A few quick clarifications from my point of view.

No one is "privy" to information from the Unified Source Field, it is open for all of us. Realeyes, karelia, jiminii, El-Ron, you and me ... What we do as Beings of Spirit is project our selves into this reality. What we project is what makes up the fabric of this reality and so when I see the man L. Ron Hubbard, he is no more or less than any of us, it still confounds me that people are so trapped in his Belief System (BS). Learn from him and also learn from his mistakes, even he said, as do all those who have walked their own path; in the end one must discard the system that got them where they are... we all have a jump off point.

IMHO there are no fixed timelines, even current scientific models show that time moves depending on our position when we view it. So this is why I poke fun at Ron, he was smart, very smart and it is well known he worked in the CIA, those who idolize Ron say it was because he was infiltrating the government so he could learn... others think differently. Do your own research and then make up your own mind.

Once a Being unplugs from Belief Systems (And what else can you call Scientology, I don't care if it is inside or outside the church)? Our freedom comes from unplugging from all false matrixes and without a doubt in heaven LRH "invented" a belief system, nothing ... other than the sci-fi part of the myth, is new. He studied ancient religions, philosophies, indigenous peoples, and but together, to some, a credible narrative.

All I am saying is that you don't need OT levels, auditing or any such nonsense to Be Able to navigate this field. And for the love of heaven, if you are dealing with Xenu remember he has many names, the devil, the Demiurge, Satan, the Chief Archon, etc. Ron had a "personal game with Xenu", when you play with the devil the devil always wins.

The whole of the Law is LOVE and that is vast space outside of the language box, as jiminii says. In the thunder of silence.

I actually really like this thread so don't think I am trying to censor anything anyone wants to say. And the offer for a cerveza and nachos stands.

Did I miss something?

The only point I can see that everyone is missing, is the conclusive fact that LHR was - first and foremost - an intelligence operative.

The intelligence community (in one abstract form, or another) has been deeply steeped in the manipulation of Human Reality through the manipulation of Mass Consciousness since the Dawn of Civilization (known civilization)

Scientology was created deep within the intelligence community as just one more way to mass-mind-control the population.

Is any further discussion necessary?

I don't know if further discussion is necessary. Scientology as a subject was invented prior to LRH developing it. It seems to be the creation of intell agencies (its creation before LRH developed it further). Mike MaClaughry describes that in his book on his site.

LRH developed Dianetics, when it was taken over by the intell agencies, he changed the name (appropiated the name) to Scientology. When Scientology was taken over by intell agencies, the Free zone and Ron's Org developed. And as far as I understand, the black Scientologists on the Church advanced along the white Scientologists at Ron's Org so that in the future 900 hundred years ahead, they (black and white scienos) keep sending 'missions' into this time period to change the future.

Looks to me that this time period is one of the 'nodes of oportunity' to change time lines or events, as described by realeyes in the post in PA. LRH describes it as such. Also, according to jiminii, this is the time where the terror regime in the galaxy was made possible. But the good news is that it is being changed.

[Naga_Fireball]

Hello all. I dont actually know too much about this belief system , altho I said "hate" in a different thread.

My fundamental problem with it is Campanellan.
Campanella was regarded as a prodigy who taught that sensation is the fundamental pillar of reality, physical and spiritual, if I read the article correctly.

Christine states that LRon taught that the flesh is just an extension of a superior and independent soul.

My question would be, does not the more abstracted belief system predispose itself to perpetuating physical abuses? Also the concept of "using the system" (hello, these are real people not just figments of a system!!) to "reach the top", I get it but I don't really dig it?

Campanella on the other hand seemed more interested in bettering the cause of his fellow man than forwarding his " chariot" or "extension" whatever. Lol. He wanted everyone to have enough to comfortably survive employing minimal labor.

CoS does not employ minimal labor if you listen to stories, it's heartless long grueling hours, very victorian a la british naval lifestyle slave galley from Ben hur etc

Just food for thought!!

[Exit-0]

It was never my intention to shut-down this very lively discussion with my statement, "Is any further discussion necessary?', rather I was appealing to the "core observer" within any one of our individual common-sense-applications, i.e., Intelligence Community=Mass Mind Control - that reality cannot be denied.

I'll interrupt this narrative with a brief musical intermission from a poet, whom I hold in the highest regard:

"Yes, and jane came by with a lock of your hair
She said that you gave it to her
That night that you planned to go clear
Did you ever go clear?" - Leonard Cohen

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fMnF0Fvdpo[/youtube]

[Christine]

You can never go wrong with me posting a Leonard Cohen song!

Exit-O, I did get the rhetorical nature of your statement. The "core observer" great description, the great unmoved One. Thanks observer.

I actually do have a lot I can add to this thread, my observer spent time with people from the Sea Org, I have spoken with two men who were very close to LRH, both spent intimate time with him and don't dislike or disdain him. I have another friend (Ron's Org scientologist), who like jiminii, says he is a LRH re-incarnate and has come back to rectify Ron's errors. I have been audited by one of the first trained (and best, my assessment) auditors, and well there is the matter of a marriage. Again I will state that I never was in the belief system, it actually turned me off and my observations could be summed up with this statement, "A group of folks like any other, if not a little more dysfunctional, even more aberrated than most people I know."

Ok, now I will take a FULL STOP.

I don't want to sound like I am simply bashing a BS, though I gladly bash any BS, including Jehovah and Yahweh and all other god-like and manipulative beings. If they, the grand self-anointed ones, can't laugh at a little mirth making then I think they might want to re-think their realities. I should also add for fairness that I spend a fair amount of time bashing my own BS, a job we are all wise to undertake. Be your own core observer.

[cuitlahuac]

But we have been denied the tools to operate as OT because we are higher than those who could train us. That is the result of the dark forces infiltrations to prevent us from being source.

How do they do that. They say we are not god-like creators, there is only one God who did it all. Anything that denies your self determinism as a creator God prevents you from operating as one. Some other fictitious God was created to make you dependants to something you basically are coming from yourself.

We created the sun's moons planets lifeforms not this entity called GOD.

If we know that we shift cause to ourselves not something that isn't.

So soon we will be awakening, and you will be able to open up your native abilities to create sun's and stars again if you like.

You are what you are and no other ism, no matter what they write can take that from you.

jiminii

Thanks Christine for the cerveza and nachos.

Think jiminii is going to protest that he might be an incarnation of LRH. He's cleared that he's an incarnation of Metteyya, just as LRH is an incarnation of Metteyya too. To explain this with the center star and rays analogy, LRH and jiminii are rays of the Metteyya star, if I understand well.

And of course, the Sea Org is an elite, and that means they have some more volition than the rest of the happy zombies down here. (new OTs from the future not included here).

I want to clarify here what I understand of "Scientology" and other -isms. Of course Scn can be turned into an ism. Chairman David Miscavige has done so with today's Golden Age of 'Scientology' Tech. But in a taped lecture, LRH explains that Scientology is the interface (connection) between total knowingness and us here in the meat body societies.

He explains that there can be 3 bins of data. Bin 1 is the absolute true data, and I assume this would be data at the level of source. Bin 2 is Scientology, which is the data from Bin 1 presented in a format that is understandable to individuals in a meat body society. Bin 3 is data at the level of meat body societies, which are the isms, Socialism, communism, capitalism, sociology etc.

So, if I have been able to see what jiminii is saying at PA forum and here, and see those things are possible and as innate capabilities of all beings, is because I have been evaluating with Scientology data, and have been able to verify his claims with that data. Otherwise I would have just stored what jiminii says in a mental filling system, or I would have had to wait for a moment I 'snap' into those states of being. Another possibility is that I just know that.

So, protecting Scientology as a system means using the Sea Org (hope this word does not turn this forum into a battlefield) to maintain pure and working the method to transmit data from Bin 1 (total knowingness) into the meat body society down here. In this regard, any method to do so, present total knowingness data to us in meat bodies, is Scientology or whatever other name one can apply to it. Any method doing that is the same method, be it Scientology or any other name. If there were to be 2 or 3 or 5 different methods to do that, then they should be found to be the same.

Note: Well, in fact there can be other and better methods to present total knowingness to people. LRH said there are better methods but Scientology is a working one.

[jiminii]

The thing that is missing in this picture here is this. If you ever watch an action movie and follow the statements each person is saying while in motion, you would never be able to put it all together just reading what everyone is saying. Without the action you wouldn't know what was happening.

What I have seen from the beginning is both attacks from both sides coming through from the future as we are walking through this period again.

The sleeper children to retaliate from the creation of the Sea Org. Then we come back with the Natural Clears to retaliate the sleeper children. When I was audited by the class 12 auditor we located all my other timelines, but I couldn't finish it because suddenly a million more LRHs/Maitreyas or what ever you want to call them showed up. We didn't date them and locate each one in time because we would be auditing forever.

Now when LRH dropped his body in 1986, he went to galactic center to report the illegal take over by aliens, and came back as LRon to sanction the solar system as Freezone. That is when Freezone started. This all came out in my words to Ron's org that LRH would return to galactic central and report it.

So what happened to the million more of me/LRH/Maitreyas?????

Since I couldn't finish the locating of other timelines, it is all very possible there is another me correcting Ron's org.

In fact my friend told me her friend went abroad the Apollo ship and there were 10 offices on the top deck with LRH written on the doors. She looked inside each door and saw an LRH in each office.

The game is bigger than you could possibly know.

From this please understand that my idea on all of this is that all the Native State beings on the planet are somehow connected to source at the top from the future or sources. This means that without knowing we are all in some kind of overall group agreement to finish our missions not even knowing what our missions are.

We work out in all that theta the best possible solutions and somehow do them. Anything below this is a distraction. Something to pull us off what needs to happen.

Christine leaves where she was because she can't finish her mission there. It is like 2 dragons that should operate together but something is stopping them from doing their full potential.

You REALLY have to get this. The overall source entities just allow it to happen because both BR and Christine have to finish what they are doing. And in that scenario the only solution was to separate.

This is happening everywhere. Everything and everyone is, in some unknown communication link between each other, changing paths as it is presented to them to complete their journey.

If you can see this, you don't need to acknowledge the noise coming from those who are still not in the know.

Do you get it?

jiminii

[jiminii]

One other truth. You drive a car with knowing. If you didn't you couldn't react fast enough to prevent an accident trying to THINK the next action to do. So this is the WHY for Native State Natural Clears.

There is too much data to sink in and KNOW without getting stuck in it, so we had to bypass Ron's org and CofS to get people that is already in the Know to get us through this. I was trained and processed before I entered this body in 1950. I just had to find a way to remember it. When the memories open full size hurricanes stop in their tracks and go where I send them. If I had to audit out the storm with a meter it would be too late.

So you can see all these entities like Karelia and realeyes performing feats that's coming out of their own knowingness.

In other words the training and processing is now Native to them, part of them, like their own hands and feet.

That is why they were sent back because the orgs couldn't put that much data in them to operate in the know.

Just remember one thing. That what you can confront, you can handle. That is anything. I learned that Indonesia was sinking with pictures I saw of children in the classrooms with water half way up their chairs.

I decided the islands would rise back up and it happened.

We can do this.

jiminii

[cuitlahuac]

One other truth. You drive a car with knowing. If you didn't you couldn't react fast enough to prevent an accident trying to THINK the next action to do. So this is the WHY for Native State Natural Clears.

There is too much data to sink in and KNOW without getting stuck in it, so we had to bypass Ron's org and CofS to get people that is already in the Know to get us through this. I was trained and processed before I entered this body in 1950. I just had to find a way to remember it. When the memories open full size hurricanes stop in their tracks and go where I send them. If I had to audit out the storm with a meter it would be too late.

So you can see all these entities like Karelia and realeyes performing feats that's coming out of their own knowingness.

In other words the training and processing is now Native to them, part of them, like their own hands and feet.

That is why they were sent back because the orgs couldn't put that much data in them to operate in the know.

Just remember one thing. That what you can confront, you can handle. That is anything. I learned that Indonesia was sinking with pictures I saw of children in the classrooms with water half way up their chairs.

I decided the islands would rise back up and it happened.

We can do this.

jiminii

Well. This bypassing of CoS and Ron's Org, including the Freezone is the biggest bypassing I've ever seen. And so we are handling not only what happened in previous runs of this period of time, but mainly what the black scientologists or reptilians might send here from the future. Kind of...

Thanks for rising the 'back to the future' people here and everybody elses's reality level.

There's a Class VIII auditor that just recently waked up to the emergency situation of the NWO takeover.

[jiminii]

The situation was like this. With the old orbs they had physical universe copies of experience , 25 copies a second for trillions of years. Along with all the copies includes all the painful copies too. These copies constantly impinge pain on the being and body and pulls his emotional level down.

We located all these other old orbs from this time period I had on and off planet, then suddenly a million more showed up. These million are the new orbs created in the future right out of source. We didn't locate them so it is possible they could be placed in any time period for whatever reason they would be used for.

If the other biig beings did the same we would have hundreds of millions repairing major incidents on the time track. The difference being the orbs have no past memories to pull them down. They don't have a recording system either. They can't be implanted with false data and lies because they operate off knowing. Knowing comes from the static source that is outside the physical universe so it can't be altered.

This scenario takes all the aberrations that would be created by the old memory system out of this scenario and leaves the being with unlimited free theta. So the vibrations coming off them would align all the aberrationed theta and turn it into free theta.

The basic knowingness of all these free beings, (Native State Natural Clears), would be infinite. Of course in a body you do not have free access to this knowingness, but it's there. The only requirement is to get outside the body and look.

So it doesn't matter if the being is aware or not, the free theta from his beingness will raise the vibrations of the planet.

The only thing I don't know is how many have incarnated and are on the planet.

I remember when someone contacted me from Ron's org that during the private messages we were sending each other, I found myself looking at Ron's org through his eyes. It was so fast I couldn't catch all the perceptions. Then I realized the entity from the future was using me to connect to the being in Ron's org to see what was going on in their operation. So when you said that there was another LRH at Ron's org I suddenly realized why I was able to connect to him and see too. He is probably another timelines of mine/LRH/Maitreya so the connection was easy to do.

jiminii