Breaking silence on Corey Goode and asking for your honest assessments

[Phil]

I choose to postulate a world without insanity, without criminals, without wars where we are able to move to higher states of beingness, the higher self realm.

I choose to postulate a discussion with actual information exchange about actual experiences useful and practical in coming to new insights and maybe even some effective conclusions...but you all are obviously not going to let that happen

So tell me, you actually believe (postulate) that if we all postulate hard enough in agreement with DW & CG (assuming their intentions are good), we will evolve as a species to this "higher realm" where our low level problems will be solved?

You left the assumption open with that big "IF". If they are well intentioned. This thread was actually supposed to explore that. You have contributed your fantastic postulates now to the point that anyone who's gonna get on board with you is already there, and the rest of us "get it" to the extent that we can.

So instead of contributing more, start a thread where you lay out all the postulates you want to believe and everyone in agreement with your beliefs can join in and you can postulate yourself a sane world where David Wilcock (with Corey Goode on his right hand, and the Holy Spirit LRon guiding the way) shows us the light, and leave us wogs here to discuss the terrifying possibility your postulate might not work

[Christine]

Copying and posting Phil's new thread back here, where it belongs. Thanks.

Discussion on Ruiner's disclosure on the goodET
Postby Phil » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:25 am

I wanted to discuss this (and Christine's disclosure) but the original thread it is in went in all kinds of interesting directions...can we try to ignore irrelevant comments?

The Ruiner wrote:
Here we go... A post a year in the making? Well played Phil You know I don't like forums and posting on them much, so again... Well played


This could be a blog post, or podcast, or be posted to another platform (and it almost was) as well as I am about to dump a lot "off my chest" so to speak.


There is a dangerous trend in the information stream of the alternative community that must be addressed, and of which I am a part. Because I am a part, I am trying to live up to my own responsibility as best I can. This includes being honest with others, but even more importantly, with myself.


Good information gets buried in myth building narratives. Honest whistle-blowers are ignored because their story doesn't live up to the glamour of the myth. People with truly good hearts are led into endless circles. The voices speaking quietly from the heart are drowned out by voices ranting loudly from a rooftop. A business has taken root in what was meant to be a path to sovereignty of mind and soul, or freedom.

Monsters are created and Heroes are introduced to battle them...


... and I think it's about time we start to unravel it all.


If one watches my first Project Camelot interview, and the CW Chanter response to that, something important will be learned no matter what you believe about CW or myself... Some much needed questioning in this community has been severely lacking and a sickness has taken hold of some.


The only way to heal this, I believe, is for us all to start owning up to our own shit. Sometimes when we do so, other people's shit comes up too.


None of us know how deep this all goes. None of us know the absolute truth. That is ok! What is not ok is people claiming they do and then making money from others because they claim they do. People feeding from other people's hopes, is also not ok, in my heart.


This is not about creating division although that perception would be understood, as it may lead to some short term division between people and some hurt feelings, but... Sometimes pulling off a band-aid hurts too. The end result should be healing and understanding and that is my only intention with my recent speaking out on this group of subjects.


We all fuck up and we all lie to ourselves and others and we all deserve to be forgiven. We simply need to come to the place where we are being honest enough to do so. Make amends where we can. At least own our actions.


It's a game we have played to fit into this system, I get that, in fact I know it's true, but... Times changes, and if we want to be the change we want to see from "them", we have to do what "they" would not.


This part will hurt... Quite a lot. Growing pains.


It all starts within. Just like everything else. Our choices are our own.


I could be wrong or right about what I believe, but either way, that is what I am trying to find out. That is what I am seeking, truth. Whether I like it or not.


I want to state here once again... I would love the whole Blue Avian, SSP/Sphere Being Alliance, to be real. I would be happy to know that some benevolent race was removing the control structure of this world. I have stated I don't believe that, but I would love to be proven wrong. I would love the Alliance to reach out to me, I would be a terrific friend to have for them, if they were real. I would love the Blue Avians to visit me in person, or in a dream even, as I would be a terrific friend to them also, if they are real. (THIS version of them I mean). If I am ever proven wrong I will concede, happily.


Also once again, I am not saying there is no SSP, although I believe even its members are dramatically lied to, I am just saying it is much closer to what people like Richard Dolan or Joseph Farrell (spelling?) are indicating than this circus version we are discussing here. The circus may be distracting us from what we are actually looking for here.


So with that all out of the way...



For me:


I met Corey when the audio for the second part of his PA interview was said to be too poor to salvage. I offered to give cleaning it up a shot. I HAD sent him a PM just before that... With my own experience I understand that with some names of organizations (cults) the order of the words in their name is usually mixed up. With the "Black Sun Order" he had it correct, so I commented. Made me think he was for real and I became curious.


I fixed the audio and we started chatting via text on skype. Small talk mostly, just two guys shooting the shit.


He eventually asked me to talk to David Wilcock, I THINK, he wanted me to validate some things he was saying. He has his own version of that which is fair enough to me.


At the time I was off work so had a lot of extra time and I spent many hours on voice calls with DW. Telling him about my experiences and perspectives.


DW claimed at the time he hadn't known Corey long "maybe a year" at that point which was just before the Sphere Being Alliance story started. I was told all about it by DW before either had even posted it online. For this reason I have always called bull-poop on the "5 years" thing. I could be wrong, but this is why I don't believe that. ( I vaguely remember the justification for that claim coming from an email sent to Ben Fulford sent long before they actually started talking, again I could be mis-remembering here. )


I know DW was looking for someone to "star" in his new show. Contrary to when I called Corey's bluff on TOT, I don't REALLY have my voice conversations with DW recorded, I find that disrespectful (even when I do podcasts I tell guests when I start the recording)


Side note: Skype text logs are a simple task to alter and don't hold water. I don't know how to use photoshop myself, but screenshots do contain metadata markers that show when the photo was created, on what device, and other devices that may have altered it. If taken and delivered within a minute, that can be fairly safe to trust. Just sayin'. Oh and...



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What DW told me was he had gotten "all he could" from Corey's original story (being a SSP member formerly as he told in the Christine interview for PA) and that he wanted to focus more on myself. - for timing purposes this was after David's conference in LA which Corey attended - Corey was at the hotel - I had given him a lot of stories related to my experience and he began talking about me (calling me Harry) and Corey (calling him Luke) at conferences and other speaking events such as radio shows.


It was after this, that the Sphere Being Alliance and Blue Avian contacts were made and "reported".


Of course this is speculation, but I know it is a shared speculation: Those first few talks DW did contained things I had told him, which were different to what Corey had said, and Corey took exception (posting on TOT at the time, conveniently deleted along with many other interesting things said - another part of the story) Even going as far as to say he was "given trouble" because his contacts thought the info David was sharing came from him, and was "wrong".


The next thing I knew I was getting the call that Corey had been named as "delegate" to the Alliance and BA's.


What I speculate based on those points is that he simply created a "bigger better story" to ensure he had the limelight. (I guess it could have been easier had he known I didn't want it anyways . ) He and his wife sat down and created a story wrapped around the Law of One material, that they knew would catch DW's attention, so they could supplement Corey's disability income with the "business" that is a large part of the disclosure movement and truth/alternative community.


The new Gaia(m)TV show was coming and needed a focus, so the story was at the right place at the right time. Which he knew as well as I did.


This is when it all changed for me. At first (and this has already been publicly said several times) I played along to see where this was leading. Trying to determine for myself what the source of it all was. Once I had adequately answered that for myself, I backed off. (When I say "played along" - to be perfectly clear I hope - I mean I lied to them both to say I was also in cahoots with the SBA and BA's. I fully admit to that, have apologized to both publicly and privately)


Although I know that likes to be spun into "he was caught lying", just read the public text and you can see how it went for yourself, hell I even admitted it, I was lying to them. My reason wasn't to fit into Corey's story (as the results actually support) it was to find the core of it. When I did I started to ask questions (all in his text files) which passively called BS on what he was saying while questioning the intentions. His own text files show clearly he was still talking to me like a buddy after I had already posted the blog. The whole "payroll" conversation as well supports this.


(Although many know I have mentioned I did other digging into it all personally, I will continue to stick to what can be publicly supported and verified - by his own words about me - as to what led me to believe he was inventing this story)


Most of the rest is fairly well known.


I wrote the blog which was found because of the Avians post.


What ensued from the time Corey read my blog until the time I publicly responded to him was hilarious and should be enough to prove his character (as well as my own) and the validity of his story. Unfortunately, not enough of his fans were following or paying attention, and due to TOT deleting it all (which I still see as "sanitation" despite what the forum claims, I'll come back to why eventually here), so it was all lost (or was it?) and paints a very different picture of the entire story.


Also: In the beginning the Blue Avians were pitched as saviours and those of us who were watching since the beginning can't deny that now that they have "gone out of their way" to try and dismiss that claim. (But back to topic)


Once Corey figured out I had written that blog (which, to add, was AFTER publicly claiming the SSP, BA's, FBI and CIA contacts all confirmed the blog was written by someone other than me, remember?) and began to try to rant about me all over the internet, I reached out to DW and explained, apologized for lying and asked him to take a look at how this "delegate for humanity" was treating his fellow humans on the TOT forum. Although he was unaware at that time what Corey was saying in posts and how he was behaving towards others, and although he never told me he did indeed look at the forum, shortly after that (a few days) Corey's posting style relaxed, and all his old false allegations, attacks, and poor personal behavior, "disappeared" from the forum. Convenient or coincidence?



Other researchers in the field - who I won't drag into this by naming. They can speak for themselves - began to re-blog my post and reach out to me. What several told me was that they were also approached by Corey via email (prior to the BA escalation) and - in their words - "pitched" his story prior to the platform he received via DW. There are some who mentioned this publicly as well and Corey said as much on TOT, too. The first platform was through PA, so it didn't all start with DW, anyways. A related point and question - why didn't DW run with any of it 5 years ago?



All the questions...


The change on my stance about not sharing these experiences has just changed recently. I will explain why and where it started as well.


Corey wrote many forum posts and a few blogs going on rants about how the Illuminati had sent me to discredit him. When I messaged DW he told me that "The Alliance" had shown/told him that I was "weaponizing" our Skype chats and voice records; "sending the to the Cabal" to discredit him. I told DW at that time that was ridiculous and he would see that never happen. It hasn't and wouldn't happen. I have avoided reading or watching what they put out, and commenting on it all, because I don't care, and to further prove that Corey was lying to DW. Enough time has passed for that to be obvious - the proof in the result.



Side note: Keep in mind Corey also told David I had "admitted to making up" my blog after all of this, (which I never did) and David repeated that on Coast to Coast AM. That's kind of a 180 from "highly trained illuminati disinformation black magician sent to discredit the Blue Avians, SSP Alliance, and Corey". Besides, how can you try to discredit the guy who did so himself? Banana's and talking Giants I did on my own I didn't need your help :p


Corey is a dick, but I have had nothing against him personally, besides some things he lied about regarding friends, which I called him out on directly and was done with. I believe he is lying about the BA and Sphere Being bullshit for sure, anything before that (his SSP involvement etc) I also believe is merely data mining. I am allowed to have an opinion, and that is what it is. Until recently I only stated this once outside of the Avians blog, and that was in response to one of his posts which was a flat out lie - when he said I was telling Drake he is a super-soldier under mind control. (That dialog from us both was on the Stillness in the Storm blog) First of all, I don't believe he is either of those things, and secondly, anything I have ever said to Drake has been broadcast on Internet radio.


Aside from that, I have been respectful of him simply because I don't have personal reasons to talk about him, and because I wanted to prove a point to DW. Oh, and because I'm a nice guy. Also, quite frankly, I don't like to be used as a weapon.


Along the way people have told me about what he says, but I don't read or listen to it. I have not seen or heard Corey actually speak for more than a minute of my life to this day.


I have read some recent blurbs sent to me, which show his ever changing narrative turn the BA's into "service to self" beings who are apparently now punishing them for not delivering information properly. -please insert a thousand facepalms here-


Since reading that nonsense I have changed my stance. From now on if asked I will be direct and honest, and don't be surprised if my response beings with "F@#k him..."


As Phil's question here has now shown haha.


Honestly, if people refuse to see it for themselves, so be it. This is ridiculous, though.


I know the word of someone many believe also made up a story, saying someone is making up a story, doesn't carry much weight. Understood... But I am not like him and neither is my story.


A Delegate on behalf of humanity here to deliver the message of truth to humanity I have never claimed to be. I am not. Neither is Corey. (Ok, yes I realize he's no longer in that roll... Coincidence or convenient?)


I believe the proof is always in the result. Go back to the beginning and look at what has actually happened. Look at where the story started and where it is now. Think for yourself.


I think it's pretty clear, but that is of course just my perception.


All this said - I am always open to people sharing stories and experiences. I am not open to this "business" and people being sent on family vacations because their story has the sympathy of their audience due to all the "negative greetings" one receives while sharing their story.


So that sums up well where I stand on Corey but to finish on DW:


I have great respect for the work he has done prior to getting into all of this. I enjoyed talking to him a great deal. I have always believed he believes Corey and is being led astray. He has always had an open door to talk to me, I have invited him to do so both via Skype and even when I knew he was coming to Canada. I have both men, still on Skype, they can reach me.


There are some things that make me side with those who say he knows it's all bullshit, and is just a salesman. I do still lean towards him wanting to believe it because it fits with other things he wants to believe, though.


So that's that, now...




Corey and David: I know you will read this. Instead of doing the usual bullshit blog response, or veiling your response into the next "episode" of your show, why not speak to me? Come on my podcast separately and/or together and we can talk. I would rather do so publicly than privately but both are options for you. We are adults, right? We both claim we want to unite humanity and this alternative community, right? That's what the SBA and BA's want, right?


If they are what you say they are they would want you to convince me anyways I know who and what I am.


This community would benefit from us coming together. Is that not what you want? Are you trying to help us all or just yourselves? Unity in the alt community starts with us all, and I am willing. Are you? If you are being honest and true, then show me, because I would like to embrace you both as brothers and support you in our common goals. I (actually) love you both irrespective of all of this.


Put your money where your mouth is . Let's talk! I'm not going anywhere until 2018 I will not "die for your sins" either. (Metaphorically speaking)


Or, go validate everything I have said by refusing this offer and running with the usual MO.


The choice is yours.


With love and respect,

Shane, The "Fucking" Ruiner

[Christine]

Ok, friends ... and others. I know there is something valuable we can get to here if we focus.

This isn't about anything other than seeing through the mechanisms that are re-playing out in the alternative media, why this happens and what we are to learn? We keep looping back or being diverted from what and why? What is it that is right in front of our noses that we seem to be missing? Well, those are my questions ...

[Phil]

What I see Corey doing makes me believe it was setup by the cabal to get back into control.

Here's the thing Jim: the point of this thread was sharing information that indicates he was at least "captured" if not self-intended from the gate.

Your exploration of your fantasy and postulates that the "truth" of the DW/CG/BA story is more important than the events (and experiences people are trying to share) about the circumstances may be true...but belong in a thread along those lines

We have your "honest assessment" as requested by Christine, and it is appreciated. People that agree or can be swayed definitely are certainly now on board...further proselytizing belongs else where, y'all can postulate your asses off spreading the "truth" where it will more effectively spread

You're effectively wasting your time here, you have planted the seeds, everyone who is going to read your posts has been infected with your "truth" sufficiently.

Now come down to earth and join us on the human side of the conversation or whisk yourself back to source or the future or whatever and let us mortal un-clears sort out the shit that happened to us

[Phil]

To your questions Christine, I think the toxicity in religion is the idea that we need a single, concrete reality to agree upon in order for us to unite and grow as a species.

While I agree with the concept that we all benefit from agreeing on the frameworks for a shared reality, starting out with a set narrative as the "postulate" to focus upon inevitably leads to corruption no matter how well intentioned (or sensible) it starts out.

Historically we (in groups, within the species) always rally around fantastic stories. It's taken a relatively long time to be able to question the authority that has been projected on them. That's why it's so frustrating to watch these LRon worshippers restart the loop here

But even more frustrating than proselytizers pushing their truth in inappropriate places, is that there's at least two individuals that started the discussion that were "all up in it" in the beginning of the myth creation. And rather than listen to you share your experience (and contribute any of their own that may be relevant), they accept the "truths" of the narrative and steer the conversation from there

My reaction would have been similar to Pluto or whoever accusing them of intentionally working together to push their agenda. But what I'm seeing him is something similar to what BR was going when Jim first bopped into PA, an opportunity he was excited about to share his beliefs.

Having watched these guys for years now it seems apparent they actually at least want people to believe that they believe this stuff...if they are not actually able to make themselves believe it themselves.

I just don't believe they're (knowingly, willingly) working for anyone who'd protect DW/CG and their narrative, though they're certainly perfect candidates for being used.

It's nice to think that a focused discussion of shared experience where we detachedly sort out a kind of mini-recent history is some sort of threat to some forces causing all the confusion in the first place. Hell, maybe that's case. But either way, we derail that even better on our own...with our more "sensible" and enlightened ideas about reality.

The circles aren't just the far-out stories. "Know thyself" and "create your own reality" has become just as much of loop...especially in these threads where we thank the "insights" we talk about while showing our walk is just criticism of nonsense.

I know some people that have every bit as whacky stories as you'd hear here...finding out why they want me to believe they actually believe it is more important than "debunking" their story or replacing it with some fantasy of my own. We have to "create a reality" from a "lower" place we can all agree, get our head out of the clouds, if we ever want to figure any of this out

[jiminii]

I wasn't trying to kill the thread. My reality between now and the future are a lot different than others because I would really have to give my entire story, since the phenomena that has occurred in my life keeps coming in huge shocks. What you see in Star Wars with the apparent abilities of the jedi, I have seen in real life like a never ending story. It is like this. Most people came into Sci fi tology to gain powers like those of the Jedi. I was the opposite. I came in because my thoughts were appearing in the physical universe one after another, totally impossible miracles, beyond your wildest dreams. This stuff Corey talks about machines that can heal a body in a few hours????

How about working on an oil rig and the driller misses the hammer wrench I'm holding that is used to tighten huge nuts, (like nuts and bolts), and hits me full force in the forehead direct hit with a full length 16 pound sledgehammer that goes to the center of my head and I quickly turn around trying see if my head is still there. It feels like with my hands the entire face is split open and I'm trying to put my face back together saying, "is my head still here .....is my head still here." Then in an instant I can feel my head returned. I turned back around and told the driller I should stand more out of the way of the swinging hammer while he and the entire crew are standing there opened jaw in shock at what they just saw. The driller yells loudly while shaking, " get on top of the rig and wash all that blood off. It took more than 10 Minutes to wash all the thick dried jelly like blood off the back of my head and there was no cut, no bump, just a slight headache. Went down to the driller and was ready to go back to work and he yelled again,"go down to the hospital and see if there is anything wrong with your head. I did and there was nothing wrong. Where'd all the blood come from.

I'm coming into to Sci Fi tology to find out how to control my thoughts because they keep happening all the time.

So I've seen the impossible again and again. The final conclusion from my reality is the cabal doesn't stand a chance and have lost before they even started. It is REAL to me but not to others.

So these people like Corey take valuable people like Christine and make them look like fools to discredit them so no one would believe them anymore. Do you think I don't believe it is planned. When he gets through with DM and others too like Christine, they are seen as unreliable sources of information. Do you really think he is trying to save mankind?

He is playing everyone for fools and probably getting paid high to do it, then these people will be less believable. So this destoys the field itself too.

jiminii

[Christine]

Thanks Phil, thanks jiminii ... briefly as I have to take some time off line today.

Inside all of us there is a part that wants to be heard, to be believed and ultimately when all the games stop, be loved. From a perspective, like looking through a long narrow tunnel, we got lost along the way, there is a purpose, maybe we can call it original purpose.

So back to CG and the alt media, part of a system? Part of an intelligence that "operates" people via ego and desire to belong? I keep walking closer to something, some inevitable conclusion that is probably one I don't want to see or I would have found it by now. So I keep taking off the blinders, keep deepening into silence, allow my own Beingness to emerge.

Knowingness also is quiet, it works behind the scenes, it is standing on zero point, neutral ground and not being swayed or spun by fantastical stories, either the ones fed to us or the ones we have not yet manifested. I know the impossible and improbable are our destiny.

As we have said: "The impossible, the incredible, the unbelievable, the miraculous, the infinite is pulsing in our very center, we are the Genesis of Love ~ EE"

You know when I hear someone, listen deeply it isn't all that hard to know if they are being truthful to themselves or operating from an foreign agenda. And I ask, how does this serve me? It doesn't have to be positive or even truth as I know it, since I am investing my energy and time, surely there is a reason for that.

[maggie]

You're effectively wasting your time here, you have planted the seeds, everyone who is going to read your posts has been infected with your "truth" sufficiently.

Now come down to earth and join us on the human side of the conversation or whisk yourself back to source or the future or whatever and let us mortal un-clears sort out the shit that happened to us

Phil: it's the proverbial drive to create validity for oneself through validation form others. It's playing the game with other players. All " I am important" springs from a story. The game that gets recognition by gamers plays on. What has happened is happening and will always be happening as long as juice is squeezed from ideas.

How to Play the Juicy Story Glory Game

1. Getting Started. Players must commit to years of development with no expectation of reward of money or fame.
The conundrum is that money or fame from a story is not assured but that to be claimed, the long building of a story brand must be endured.
a PLAYER first sits or stands at a computer (in previous years there were pencils/paper and typewriters).
They need to write up an ORIGINAL story close enough to a previous story that it is familiar but not so close that readers will think it is the same story they have heard.
The story may well be a blend of history, fiction, scientific ideas and speculation on future events. It is to be believe-able by the writer to most effectively be lived in by the creator.
This may be a blog set up with a theme.
research into memes can help decide on the theme. The meme theme of the story will be imporatant to the writer to maintain interest.

2. Begin the Game. The Player with a story must seek and finds someone IMPORTANT to read the story. This is most likely a VIRTUALLY IMPORTANT PERSON with internet fame? it might be real world character but new authors do not usually have a proper credential for a publishing real world editor.

The value of the VIP is that the story will be spread and therefore the basis for claims to fame and even monetary reward may be garnered.
The possibilities for VIP are many but most likely this could be found through a forum devoted to the story subject. Let us work with a forum as the beginning.

3. The Game Continues. Players join a forum. They begin threading the story onto the forum. If attractive, there will be a receiving of friend requests and Personal Messages (Pmessage vehicle). The importance is to develop these requests to befriend. All interaction will be ideally based on the memetheme of the story.

PMessage vehicle carries the importance of the story. This can give valuable feedback and is valuable in having befriends spread the informative PMessages info to THEIR befriends. A coterie of befriends develops, among which are some possibly IMPORTANT VIPs? This process may take a few weeks to months, EVEN YEARS. Patience is needed for the momentum to build.

Many many many many many posts and responsive emails, probably skype type calls, videos and even personal meetings may be needed to establish a branding FOR the story. This branding is an essential quality to place the writer in a particular genre.

4. The Conclusion. The writer finally identifies an IMPORTANT reader. This reader has many befriends in a “crowd” for whom the story is interesting. The writer will then develop berelationship with the crowd. When the story and the writer have developed an “inside” with the crowd, ONLY then may the following phases of Juicy reward and Juicy influence be possible.
Rules for GOOD Game:

The story can only have a single version or will be considered false at some future date, so the writer must pay close attention to what has been written or spoken to keep the story straight.
The story should never be a too familiar OR unfamiliar but just right. You want to make sure it also has some juicy sex or violence.
The Object of the Game
The main purpose of the Game is for the amusement of the player.
Results will vary and so it should be fun to be doing the game.
If it is fun, generates laughs (at someone), and helps a group relax into their world view, it will be popular.
The story can help young children or those learning socialization to develop in a particular mind set.
The story serves as a springboard for the importance of affirming everyone's "this is MY truth so I am truthful".
All successful story has glory and will be is used as back ground for future validation of other Juicy story.

[Naga_Fireball]

Oh man. This discussion resurrected my sorrow at the downward spiral enacted by Alex Jones over the last 8 years or so.

Alex started out so seemingly genuine and open minded, only to latch on to the coat tails of the good old boy establishment, alienating most women and minorities.

I had to stop supporting him, because his public platform was actually worse than CoS if you can believe it...

[Hermit]

Thanks Phil, thanks jiminii ... briefly as I have to take some time off line today.

Inside all of us there is a part that wants to be heard, to be believed and ultimately when all the games stop, be loved. From a perspective, like looking through a long narrow tunnel, we got lost along the way, there is a purpose, maybe we can call it original purpose.

So back to CG and the alt media, part of a system? Part of an intelligence that "operates" people via ego and desire to belong? I keep walking closer to something, some inevitable conclusion that is probably one I don't want to see or I would have found it by now. So I keep taking off the blinders, keep deepening into silence, allow my own Beingness to emerge.

Knowingness also is quiet, it works behind the scenes, it is standing on zero point, neutral ground and not being swayed or spun by fantastical stories, either the ones fed to us or the ones we have not yet manifested. I know the impossible and improbable are our destiny.

As we have said: "The impossible, the incredible, the unbelievable, the miraculous, the infinite is pulsing in our very center, we are the Genesis of Love ~ EE"

You know when I hear someone, listen deeply it isn't all that hard to know if they are being truthful to themselves or operating from an foreign agenda. And I ask, how does this serve me? It doesn't have to be positive or even truth as I know it, since I am investing my energy and time, surely there is a reason for that.

How about this. It's part of an open system in which participants either want, need, or pretend to believe that the system is actually closed. And! There are individuals who, knowing that the system is open, simply move themselves *out* so that they can profit (by profit, read benefit either positively or negatively in a miriad of ways).

Only questions I need to then ask is this: if you knew the way people operated in the system, would you enter back into it the way the CG story has unfolded? I wonder.

There was a really old twilight zone episode where a guy receives from God a gift of being able to heal people by laying his hands on them in faith-healer southern tent meeting kind of way. In the beginning, he's going out and helping people for zero profit. He's doing the right thing! Then, he realizes he can make money off of this. He builds himself a global empire out of faith healing. Until one day...God just takes the gift of healing back. Then, suddenly, people realize he's a sham.

What does that allegorical story have to do with this case? I think something probably did happen. I think it's probably not as wild as it is being portrayed. I think now people are going to make money off of it. And I think eventually people will just log it as another anomalous bubble of conspiracy fading into the background of the mosaic that is the alt community.

I think we need to have checks and balances to keep our feet on the ground. I think extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (Thank you Carl Sagan). SO...where's the proof?

I'm *STILL* waiting for "mother" to show up.

***EDIT***

And THEN I read Maggie's post and want to stand up cheering! Occam's Razor is your friend.