Hitler's War - What the Historians Neglect to Mention

[Sandy Clark]

SUPERB post Steven and some of the resources will be checked out for sure>>>>thank you

In continuing to spotlight Hitler the man and his rise to the dictator of Germany, here is some more of his and the Nazi party’s deceit foisted upon the German peoples. Mind you this is the road to war with imperialistic desires. Regardless of what people may think about how history may be wrong or is not mentioned. Documents and speeches and books and Actions of the man called Adolf Hitler clearly and succinctly show, portray, define the man and his mind. The military that backed him and their actions cannot be denied. The atrocities that pursued after the takeover of the German peoples and their country are surely documented quite well. I am sure that there are other sides to this story of which there always is. As with History writers, there will always be different view points and even, ever carefully constructed scripts to portray the losers as something to be hated while the victors are portrayed as the hero’s. We may never know how history would read if Hitler’s regime had won. It is known that the leaders of the other countries involved were and are just more puppets for the real monsters that create the wars but that is for another topic of much more in depth study.

The following ACT was created before the false flag of the Reichstag Fire and enacted swiftly after;

NAZI ENABLING ACT

"Law Concerning the Solving of the Emergency of the People and the Reich, 24 March 1933"
The Reichstag has issued the following decree, which is hereby announced with the agreement of the Reich Council, after having ensured that the necessary legal constitutional amendments have been made:

Article 1 - Laws of the Reich can be passed by the government, in addition to the procedure laid down in the constitution of the Reich. This also applies to laws covered by Articles 85, para. 2, and 87 of the Reich constitution.

Article 2 - The laws passed by the Reich government do not have to adhere to the constitution provided that the institutions of the Reichstag and Reichsrat have no objection. The rights of the President of the Reich remain unaffected.

Article 3 - The laws passed by the government of the Reich will be drafted by the Chancellor and announced in the Law Gazette. They will apply, provided that no other provision is made, from the day following their publication. Articles 68-77 of the constitution do not apply to the laws passed by the government of the Reich.

Article 4 - Treaties agreed by the Reich with foreign states, which concern the constitutional affairs of the Reich, do not require the consent of the legislative institutions. The government of the Reich will issue the necessary instructions for the implementation of these treaties.

Article 5 - This law applies from the day of its publication. It will expire on 1 April 1937; it will also be annulled if the present government of the Reich is replaced by another.

So this Enabling Act virtually gave Hitler much more power and in essence destroyed the Democratic Government of Germany. His Dictatorship was secured with this Act. Now let’s look at History repeating itself by creating the false flag, or more succinctly called the new Pearl Harbor by Vice President Dick Cheney called 911, the destruction of the twin towers. This is just a parallel look at history and its close if not identical resemblance to the 1920’s through the 1930’s Germany of Hitler and the NAZI party.

Shocking Parallels Between The US Patriot Act & the Nazi Enabling Act

...."Consider the following two statements, and see if you can identify the authors.

Statement Number One: "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."....

...Statement Number Two: "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve."...

...The first statement is a quote from Hitler's right hand man, Hermann Goering, explaining at his war crimes trial how easily he and his fellow Nazis hijacked Germany's democratic government. The second statement is a quote from Bush's right hand man, John Ashcroft, defending the Patriot Act and explaining why dissent will no longer be tolerated in the age of terrorism. If that doesn't send chills down your spine, nothing will....

....And what, pray tell, are we fighting for? Well, according to the White House, we're fighting for freedom. Yet freedom is exactly what the White House is demanding that we now SURRENDER in the name of fighting terrorism."....

Many who think that this post is an over reaction need only check history. Time and time again it has been shown that governments and corruption are synonymous. This especially includes our democratic(?) ones. Democracies can only work when the people put their trust into authority. The more democratic the society becomes the more likely it will be abused by governments/authority as it becomes progressively easier to betray citizen trust....It will come as a surprise to most that Hitler's Germany and Stalinist Russia started from one of the most democratic governments of all before their day!

...Again and again we see how our governments dupe us. They continually guard the interests of corporations ahead of our health and wealth. It is clear that their (governments') primary role inevitably turns to protect, and do the dirty bidding for, the industry under the pretense of protecting citizens.

Those who think that governments are needed for our protection, security and well being are sadly mistaken. Instead of expecting the government to stem the tide of corruption and self interests we continually see their dismal track record of betrayal.

Both "Hitler and Bush were funded and ultimately ushered into power by wealthy industrialists (industrial military complex) looking for government favors in the form of tax breaks, big subsidies, and laws to weaken the rights of workers". What is even more surprising is that Hitler's PR man was actually an American so they know the routine well - hence the similarity...

Following books now freely available on the net are a must read to see the big picture:
Wall Street And The Rise Of Hitler by Antony C. Sutton
Hitler's Secret Backers (not free but almost)
The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben by Joseph Borkin

We are creatures of comfort and trust, sadly we are not generally motivated until it's too late or things get unbearable. Remember also that it can be very difficult to see the situation when one is inside looking out. Even though we have seen it before. History will continue to repeat till such time as we grow up. Unfortunately, the vested interests with governments in toe know this all too well and design the acts/laws in such a manner that hide their atrocities hence, most will not see these easily if at all. Most will continue to trust the authorities, and think that those who see the ongoing atrocities are a bunch of conspiracy cooks, fanatics etc., and the game plan will ensue. Secret arrests and meetings; media embargoes, etc. are simply designed to keep us oblivious and in our comfort zones.
Chris Gupta
See also: Legalizing the Loss of Freedoms in Canada
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Title: USA Patriot Act and the Nazi Enabling Act
Post by: tanstaafl28 on June 03, 2005, 05:29:05 PM
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On March 23, 1933, Adolf Hitler pushed the the Enabling Act, which provided the newly elected Nazi government with additional powers to act against enemies of the state. This particular piece of legislation bears remarkable resemblance to the U.S.A Patriot Act:

1) How the Patriot Act Compares to Hitler's Erm�chtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act)
On March 23, 1933, the newly elected members of the Reichstag met in the Kroll Opera House in Berlin to consider passing Hitler's "Erm�chtigungsgesetz". The "Enabling Act" was officially called the 'Law for Removing the Distress of the People and the Reich.'
Opponents to the bill argued that if it was passed, it would end democracy in Germany and establish a legal dictatorship of Adolf Hitler. To soften resistance to the passing of the Enabling Act, the Nazis secretly caused confusion in order to create an atmosphere in which the law seem necessary to restore order.

On February 27, 1933, Nazis burned the Reichstag building, and a seat of the German government, causing frenzy and outrage. They successfully blamed the fire on the Communists, and claimed it marked the beginning of a widespread terrorism and unrest threatening the safety of the German "Homeland." On the day of the vote, Nazi storm troopers gathered around the opera house chanting, "Full powers - or else! We want the bill - or fire and murder!"

The Nazis used the opportunity to arrest 4,000 communists. Not only did the Nazis use the incident as a propaganda against communists but they also arrested additional 40,000 members of the opposition. Consequently, the Nazis had achieved their objective of eliminating democracy and ensuring their majority in the parliament.

After the fire on February 28, 1933, president Hindenburg and Hitler invoked Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution, which permitted the suspension of civil liberties during national emergencies. Some examples of this Decree of the Reich President for the Protection of the People and State abrogated the following constitutional protections: Freedom of the press, free expression of opinion, individual property rights, right of assembly and association, right to privacy of postal and electronic communications, states' rights of self-government, and protection against unlawful searches and seizures.

Before the vote, Hitler made a speech to the Reichstag in which he pledged to use restraint. He also promised to end unemployment and promote multilateral peace with France, Great Britain and the Soviet Union.

In order to accomplish all this, Hitler said, he first needed the Enabling Act. Since this act would alter the German constitution, a two-thirds majority was necessary. Hitler needed 31 non-Nazi votes to pass it. The Center Party provided these votes after Hitler made a false promise to them. Four hundred and forty votes were registered for the Enabling Act, while a mere 84 votes were opposed the social Democrats. In glory the Nazi Party stood to their feet and sang the Nazi anthem, the H�rst Wessel song. The German Democratic party had finally been eliminated, and Hitler's dream for Nazi command became closer to reality.

The Enabling Act granted Hitler the power he craved and could use without objection from the Reichstag. Shortly after the passing of The Enabling Act all other political parties were dissolved. Trade unions were liquidated and opposition clergy were arrested. The Nazi party had, as Hitler said, become the state. By August 1934, Hitler became commander-in-chief of the armed forces. This was in addition to being President and Führer of the German Reich, to whom every individual in the armed forces pledged unconditional obedience. The Reichstag was no longer a place for debate, but rather a cheering squad in favor of whatever Hitler might say.

2) A 21st Century Comparison of The Enabling Act and The Patriot Act
Last September, German Justice Minister Herta Daeubler-Gmelin pointed out that George Bush is using Iraq to distract the American public from his failed domestic policies. She capped her statement by reminding her audience: "That's a popular method. Even Hitler did that." What was lost in the reactions to Ms. Daeubler-Gmelin's comments was that she wasn't comparing Bush to the Hitler of the late 1930s and early 1940s; but to the Hitler of the late 1920s and early 1930s.

Most Americans have forgotten that Hitler came to power legally. He and the Nazi Party were elected democratically in a time of great national turmoil and crisis. They themselves had done much to cause the turmoil, of course, but that's what makes the Bush comparison so compelling.
Similar to the Bush administration, the Nazis were funded and ultimately ushered into power by wealthy industrialists looking for government favors in the form of tax breaks, big subsidies, and laws to weaken the rights of workers. When the Reichstag (Germany's Parliament building) was set ablaze in 1933 (probably by Nazis), the Nazis framed their political rivals for it. In the general panic that followed, the German Parliament was purged of all left-wing representatives who might be soft on communists and foreigners, and the few who remained then VOTED to grant Chancellor Hitler dictatorial powers. A long, hideous nightmare had begun.

History teaches us that it is shockingly easy to separate reasonable and intelligent people from their rights. A legally elected leader and party can easily manipulate national events to whip up fear, crucify scapegoats, gag dissenters, and convince the masses that their liberties must be suspended (temporarily, of course) in the name of restoring order. Consider the following two statements, and see if you can identify the authors.
Statement Number One: "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Statement Number Two: "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve."

The first statement is a quote from Hitler's right hand man, Hermann Goering, explaining at his war crimes trial how easily he and his fellow Nazis hijacked Germany's democratic government. The second statement is a quote from Bush's right hand man, John Ashcroft, defending the Patriot Act and explaining why dissent will no longer be tolerated in the age of terrorism. If that doesn't send chills down your spine, nothing will.

When the shooting started at Lexington Green in 1775, those calling themselves patriots were the men and women who refused to yield their rights to an increasingly oppressive government. Today, according to John Ashcroft and his Patriot Act of 2001, a patriot is someone who kneels down in fear, and hands over his or her rights to the government in the name of fighting terrorism. Isn't the hypocrisy of this all too obvious? The Bush administration wants us to fight in Afghanistan, to fight in Iraq, and to fight wherever terrorists may be hiding. And what, pray tell, are we fighting for? Well, according to the White House, we're fighting for freedom. Yet freedom is exactly what the White House is demanding that we now SURRENDER in the name of fighting terrorism.

So what's really going on? Well, it's all a lie, of course. The Bush administration isn't any more interested in protecting our freedom from terrorists than Hitler was in protecting Germans from communists, Jews, and all the other groups he scapegoated. The Bush administration is fighting only to protect itself and its corporate sponsors. It hides behind a veil of national security and behind non-stop war headlines of its own creation. And behind that smokescreen, Bush, Inc. is pursuing Hitler's old agenda from the 1920s and 1930s: serving the interests of the corporate industrialists who brought it to power.

There is a name for governments that serve the interests of Big Business at the expense of their own citizens: fascist. Here's a short list of the rights we've already surrendered since the September 11 attacks. Most of these abuses are from a single piece of legislation called the Patriot Act of 2001, which was rushed through Congress with no debate in the aftermath of the attacks. Many of the Congressmen who voted for it later admitted that they hadn't even read it at the time.

3) Ten Key Dangers of The Patriot Act That Every American Should Know

No. 1: The government can conduct "sneak and peek" searches in which agents enter your home or business and search your belongings without informing you until long after.

No. 2: Government agents can force libraries and bookstores to hand over the titles of books that you've purchased or borrowed and can demand the identity of anyone who has purchased or borrowed certain books. The government can also prosecute libraries and bookstores for informing you that the search occurred or even for informing you that an inquiry was made. According to ACLU staff attorney Jameel Jaffer, such "searches could extend to doctors offices, banks and other institutions which, like libraries, were previously off-limits under the law." Chris Finan, President of the American Booksellers group adds: "The refusal of the Justice Department to tell Congress how many times it has used its powers is even more unsettling because it naturally leads to the suspicion that it is using them a lot."

No. 3: Federal agents are authorized to use hidden devices to trace the telephone calls or emails of people who are not even suspected of a crime. The FBI is also permitted to use its Magic Lantern technology to monitor everything you do on your computer--recording not just the websites you visit but EVERY SINGLE KEYSTROKE as well.

No. 4: Government agents are permitted to arrest and detain individuals "suspected" of terrorist activities and to hold them INDEFINITELY, WITHOUT CHARGE, and WITHOUT an ATTORNEY. (That could be you or me for sending or receiving this Email, by the way)

No. 5: Federal agents are permitted to conduct full investigations of American citizens and permanent legal residents simply because they have participated in activities protected by the First Amendment, such as writing a letter to the editor or attending a peaceful rally.

No. 6: Law enforcement agents are permitted to listen in on discussions between prisoners and their attorneys, thus denying them their Constitutional right to confidential legal counsel.

No. 7: Terrorism suspects may be tried in secret military tribunals where defendants have no right to a public trial, no right to trial by jury, no right to confront the evidence, and no right to appeal to an independent court. In short, the Constitution does not apply.

No. 8: The CIA is granted authority to spy on American citizens, a power that has previously been denied to this international espionage organization.

No. 9: In addition to the Patriot Act, the Bush administration has given us Operations TIPS, a government program that encourages citizens to spy on each other and to report their neighbors activities to the authorities. It's EXACTLY the kind of thing for which we used to fault East Germany and the Soviet Union, and for which we currently fault Red China and North Korea. Fortunately, Operation TIPS (or AmeriSnitch, as it's known to its many detractors) seems to have been recalled to the factory--at least for now. (Incidentally, in a clever variation of "two-can-play-at-that-game”, Brad Templeton has set up a website at http://www.all-the-other-names-were-tak ... stips.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; where you can report people you suspect of being informants for Operation TIPS. It's an interesting and amusing site, well worth a look.)

No. 10: In the wake of Operation TIPS came something even worse: Total Information Awareness. TIA is a program of the Defense Department that when fully operational will link commercial and government databases so that the DOD can immediately put its finger on any piece of information about you that it wants. New York Times columnist William Safire writes: "Every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail you send or receive, every academic grade you receive, every bank deposit you make, every trip you book and every event you attend all these transactions and communications will go into what the Defense Department describes as a virtual, centralized grand database." And that's not all. Who did our president appoint to head the TIA? Who gets to be Big Brother himself? Why it's none other than John Poindexter, a man convicted in 1990 on five counts of lying to Congress, destroying official documents, and obstructing congressional inquiries into the Iran-contra affair. Another Hermann Goering, if there ever was one.

So, as history repeats itself, the peoples of a country called America are loosing their freedoms slowly but surely while the Government stooges/Presidents have taken us into wars against anyone that opposes or not the Central banks. The ensuing wars that have perpetually been ongoing since the declaration by Bush baby of ‘WAR ON TERROR’ and the constant drum beating of war with major countries like Russia, China, and North Korea, is just another lead up to world war. Only this time around we may not make it into reparation stages. So to speak of Hitler and his regime is the same as speaking of whatever president we have in place today and his regime. It is certain that Hitler perhaps fought for his beloved country but he was an imperialist also and that is clearly evident. World power and control was his goal, the extermination of any human being that was not of the pure Aryan nation or race was another major goal. This is all documented through his Mein Kampf writing and his speeches. Listen to the speeches of the past 4 or 5 presidents in this country and one can hear the strong words of Hitler. Albeit they are subtle or blatant they are their non the less.

“If this were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier... as long as I'm the dictator. Hehehe.”
― George W. Bush

[Chicodoodoo]

So because we were just as bad as we claim the Germans were to the jews.
The whole narrative is false?

The whole narrative of the "6 million Jews gassed to death" Shoah business is indeed false, but it is not false "because we were just as bad as we claim the Germans were to the jews." It is false on its own merits. The two are related, however. Framing the Germans for unconscionable atrocities diverted attention away from the far worse atrocities that really did occur that the Allies wanted to cover up.

You are painting as one sided a picture as the historians did..
This is the last I'll say about it in this thread..

The picture is pretty much one-sided, both the false picture we have been programmed to believe, and the more accurate picture that was covered up.

[Chicodoodoo]

SUPERB post Steven and some of the resources will be checked out for sure>>>>thank you

LostNFound's post is a great post for many reasons, but revealing the truth is not one of them.

The con-artists that run our world lie with the truth. They take truthful statements, twist them slightly, and arrange them in an order that will carry you to a false conclusion. The official story of 9/11 is an example. Any forum member can post the NIST study or the 911 Commission Report details and look like a knowledgable authority, yet all he is doing is supporting the lie, rather than showing how the truth has been undermined.

LostNFound has presented a mass of information that can, with time and effort, be deconstructed and falsified on a point by point basis. I am more than willing to work through it for the benefit of all readers, but I shouldn't have to. You should do it yourselves, and even help each other do it. You should be questioning the information, looking for the deception and manipulation, and figuring out how the illusion is constructed. And you should share your discoveries, review them, and debate them. That is exactly what I have had to do, as I too started off with the false belief and firm conviction that the history I was taught was true. But it's not. Once you have a few examples that suggest you've been conned, then it's time to do the work to understand how the con works. That understanding will rock your world, for you will then discover that the con-jobs are all around you, and they work on the same principles.

I know that most of us don't want our worlds "rocked" in the sense I am using. We want our world rocked like a baby's bassinet that is gently swayed back and forth, allowing us to sleep more comfortably. We don't want our world turned upside down like it was by the horrors of 9/11 or WW2. But the truth is that evil people direct our world and deliberately deceive and manipulate us. They are the source of the horrors. If you don't want to know about this, if you are comforted by the familiar confines of the con-game, if you think it's not important or you can't be bothered... that's your free choice that no one can deny you. The con-artists count on that and use it to their advantage.

Ultimately, you decide. Each of us decides whether to pursue the truth or not. Each of us decides if we have all the facts or not. Each of us decides how much to question and what to accept without question. And it's a terrible shame that the deceivers are so successful at influencing those decisions.

[Eelco]

Research what I say In the way I say it. Or you draw the wrong conclusion, because only my conclusion is the truth for I concluded it thus..

You are funny chocodoodledooo

[LostNFound]

Well Chico, it appears you have missed the point once again. My post was not to spotlight the 911 tragedy itself but the fact that it was played as a false flag just like the Reichstag fire was to get laws passed that gave more power to the governments for control. I guess you missed the fact of the Enabling Act and how the Patriot Act are very similar. They both reduce the freedoms of the people and give power to dictators.

Revealing a truth is one of the reasons for my post. It clearly shows the Acts/laws that were created by causing a false flag, one in Germany by the Nazi party in 1933 and one in America by the Bush regime in 2001. That was my goal with research to perhaps show comparisons between two men and the Acts they performed to gain more power and/or take the peoples to war by gaining their consent. Surely you can't deny the pure fact of the Enabling Act and or the patriot Act. Or do you think that those two documents are fake? Do you also see that what happened in Europe during the late 30's through 1945 was not real in your eyes? Surely all the armies of the countries played their parts and caused mass destruction and atrocities. There can be no doubt about that.

You seem to be so bent on proving that no Jewish peoples or any other peoples that were not of the pure Aryan race never really died in any of those camps. Well with that sort of thinking how the hell can you state and verify that German war prisoners were murdered in the millions. Seems you present a one sided view with that. Well I am trying to present both sides. I see and know that peoples on both sides were murdered/killed and it perhaps was all caused by an elite group of men. You want to find truth but what difference will it make? I could quote Eelco with his questions. So what I see is the truth to you is only what you perceive really happened because you read from the few that say everything is a lie. Well hell I can agree that everything is a lie but then that leaves us all just bouncing around in confusion. WAIT! I must have some truth somewhere but it will have to be pounded into your head so you will except it. OR you have some truth somewhere and you must pound it into my head so I will except it.

So then Mr. Ernst Zundel, Ernst Nolte, or Friedrich Paul Berg, believer, you can now concoct your own conclusions of what really happened that we are all being lied to about. All wars are lies Chico. They are made so some get rich while all the pawns die. Men like Hitler, Bush, Bismark, Churchill, Trump, are given a dream of their own egos and shuttled to the head. They then proceed to create destruction for some wayward Ideal that must be sold to the peoples who unknowingly gather at the feet of the leader and move to complete bloodthirsty wars all in the name of that Ideal that the leader has sold by some False flag event. Look at today man, What do you see, What does your own eyes tell you? It will not stop until we as the people learn.

Okay lets here your perceived truths now.

[Chicodoodoo]

Well Chico, it appears you have missed the point once again. My post was not to spotlight the 911 tragedy itself but the fact that it was played as a false flag just like the Reichstag fire was to get laws passed that gave more power to the governments for control. I guess you missed the fact of the Enabling Act and how the Patriot Act are very similar.

Do you really know the true history behind the Reichstag fire? Which of these versions ( 1 2 3 4 5 ) is what really happened?

You must surely know that nearly everything we have been taught about Hitler is propaganda, right? So why do you believe what you've been taught about the Reichstag fire being a false-flag by the Nazis to push through the Enabling Act? I guess you also missed the fact that the Enabling Act and the Patriot Act are NOT very similar. Nor is Bush and Hitler. Where do you get these over-simplistic ideas? And then you ask if I think the two documents are fake? Seriously? If anyone has missed the point, I suggest it is you.

You seem to be so bent on proving that no Jewish peoples or any other peoples that were not of the pure Aryan race never really died in any of those camps.

Seriously?! Have you not investigated anything I posted? Lots of people died in the concentration camps! Hundreds of thousands! Do you have any idea how many epidemics swept through the camps, when they occurred, and how many people died from them? Typhus doesn't care whether you are Jewish or Catholic or Aryan! If you are human, you'll do just fine, as far as the bacteria are concerned. Typhus was a big problem in Europe during the war, and a huge problem in the German concentration camps, especially as they got overcrowded and ran out of supplies. Did it even register in your mind that the real gas chambers were built to genocide lice, not humans? Do you even question the absurd claim that 6 million Jews were gassed to death, and do you not recognize that there's no real evidence that even one person was gassed? Did you know that Hitler was hospitalized from a gas attack near the end of WW1, and that he hated chemical gas weapons on ethical grounds, and despite having them available in WW2, he refused to use them even in Germany's darkest days, when they could have brought him victory? And you think this man would gas Jews by the millions? By the way, who sold us on that idea, and continues to sell it to this day, as if it is some kind of religion?

You want to find truth but what difference will it make?

Clearly, as evidenced by your understanding, you don't know the difference the truth makes. The first truth you must process is that what you've been taught and continue to be taught by official sources and authorities is not the real truth. That will make a huge difference, if the lesson is not lost on you. But so far, there is no evidence you have processed even that lesson. Your question ("what difference does it make?") just confirms that you haven't even made it past the first hurdle.

So what I see is the truth to you is only what you perceive really happened because you read from the few that say everything is a lie.

You don't see very much, do you. You're happy with your current beliefs. You don't need to question them. This thread is not going to be your cup of tea. Nor is it Eelco's, or Sandy's. Isn't there a thread on the forum where the participants all contribute randomly towards writing a fictional fantasy? Perhaps that will be your cup of tea.

[Christine]

Friends ~ I will make an attempt to weave together the seemingly unassailable breach in points of view. For myself it is simple because once the patterns of deception are seen they become easy to move through. The reason I started researching "Hitler's War" square on is because I was forbidden to. I recognized that when any subject is forbidden by the "controllers" there is much to gained by doing so.

Why is it illegal to write revisionist books (many are banned), present real German documents from the war, talk about Hitler's fourteen attempts for Peace treaties (all fair and noble) which were summarily ignored by the "allies"?

What I see happening here is that many are still locked into the programmed responses that are required by the "controllers" so they can continue to manipulate people into the false reality they need to create in order to remain in power. For most people still live in a condition of human slavery. Freedom remains an illusion. That is the reason to search for truth, that is the reason that I am so personally and deeply saddened to see that so few will take the time to do their own research. I agree with Chico that instead of reading the ample material that has been shared on the forum (and it is only the tip of the iceberg), instead of responding to the blaring questions posed most will choose to go the history books that were written to fortify a lie. This is programming and how it works.

The question that some are posing, "What difference does it make?" is from my perspective short sighted and myopic. Maybe it doesn't make a difference for anyone in their personal lives, we all create and live in our own particular bubble of reality. However when one steps out of their bubble and is willing to stand for Mother Earth and humanity it does make a difference. It makes a difference for those who are still the fodder for guns and bombs, for the German people who are still paying repartitions to the "victors" as even now Poland is clamoring for the share it gave up at the end of WWII. It makes a difference because if we don't see how the world is once again being hacked up and divided by the same "cabal" that won WWII we haven't yet learned what we need to, we haven't yet had the courage to stand in Truth. It makes a difference to see how treaties are made to be broken, it makes a difference for all people everywhere.

War = Money and who are the purveyors of this machine of continual war? None other than the world wide web of terror based in Israel, the United States, the City of London and the Vatican in Rome. How can we fail to see the connections?

There is so much we don't know so why do we stop looking because we don't like someone's personality or start to feel uncomfortable? It is damn uncomfortable to fully grasp the totality of this lie. It is deep, very deep.

In my own research and by diving intrepidly into this forbidden subject I have uncovered a treasure trove of truths. What do I mean? Everything is connected to everything else so I've discovered the VRIL (look up Maria Orsic), magnetism (esoteric as well as physical). I have followed the trail that leads to Agartha, I've explored our common root races, I've become fascinated by the etymology of words and how word meanings have been twisted. I have discovered my own Nordic roots, I have read multi-cultured mythologies finding the common thread of our origins. I have come to comprehend a man named Adolf Hitler and what he was attempting to rescue. Most don't realize he believed in racial purity, not white superiority. There are reasons for this if one starts digging.

Of course we are now looking at this chapter from a distance of over sixty years through the eyes of our well installed belief systems, this makes the work of research all the more valuable for removing beliefs is akin to finding truth.

By daring to speak openly about Jews, a word I detest using this word because it is so well honed that it causes most people react. No one even knows if they are referring to a race or a religious group. And by daring to use words like Aryan race (how truly sad that people don't have a clue to the etymology of its meaning) I have become the target of hatred. How ironic really that those who claim love of truth will easily fall to hatred when this subject is pushed forward.

I am not writing this to single any one out, I am not expecting anyone to look through my eyes, I am holding open a door that few will walk through.

What is it that is actively and violently being hidden from us? Why are the lands of Syria, Iran and Iraq being destroyed? This question is not posed geopolitically, it is posed esoterically for what of our origins in the stars do "they" not wish us to discover?

[LostNFound]

Well Chico, I may not see much according to your perceptions but I do see through you. This phrase clearly sums one such as you up, "My way or the Highway" You seem to believe that your research is all that is right and no one may have an opinion or find any thing or say any thing that may hold some truth. Well enough of that, You have your own perceptions and opinions and that is you and that is just fine with me. However as I have seen there seems to be no sense in talking with you because you have shown that no matter what someone else comes up with or says you will always pick it apart and show just how right you are. Good luck with that.

As for this thread, this topic. There are always two sides to any story. Truth is only in the beholders eyes. Belief of what is or what ain't falls squarely on the individual. There is no contest in the fact that we are lied to about almost everything. The 2nd world war, Hitler, Stalin, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, All of them hold two sides of History. Christine has chosen to see both sides of a man called Hitler and His war. Because of the fact that all the documentations, Hitlers own writings and recorded speeches may be possible forgeries or fake and all lies makes it very difficult to find any kind of real truth about the man or the war. We do know without a doubt that many millions of peoples died in each and every war. They died from disease, they died from being shot, They died from so many different ways but none the less they died. The whole gassing thing did happen and that is clearly documented in Russia. May not have happened to the Jewish peoples as it is portrayed but then again people died by the thousands and by the millions.

As I entered this thread I thought to look at both sides and make comparisons between the Hitler and war of Germany and the leaders and wars after. As I have stated, All Wars are Bankers wars. So IMO the only real way to find truth about this man and the war would to be directly involved in it. Or talk with those that were directly involved in it and suffered through it. That my dear friends would be up front face the facts truth of the matter. Live in a war that rages all around you. I do believe you might have so many different thoughts. Talk with people that did just exactly that and see their perspective. That in my perspective is the only way one can gather reality. According to some, We cannot find truth and reality by searching through the written narratives of history simply because it is all lies written by the victors of some god forsaken war. But wait, There are always two sides to any story. So find them both and then make a choice as to which one to believe in. There could be more than two sides also so one has to sift deeply before coming to a conclusion of belief.

Thanks for the opportunity to look into this bit of history

Steven

[maggie]

I am not writing this to single any one out, I am not expecting anyone to look through my eyes, I am holding open a door that few will walk through.

No, I just don't plan to walk through doors that have no good exit. The door about debating history for me leads to a brick wall. What happened "in the world" outside my door even a couple of days ago is "history" already. I was not present for the facts (so its not a memory) and making sense is a matter of second hand sorting through others' assertions for me. IMO that makes historic "truth" questionable by the time it gets to my mind. That is why IMO people look for patterns as if patterns make more sense of events.

I have read some of the text posted in this and other discussions elsewhere about Nazi + Holocaust. Genocide IMO is a pattern based on a biologic brute "culture" with desire to sire all the children and have the "family" rule and have access to all the land and goodies.

What I think is absolutely TRUE is that "good" men have done TERRIBLE acts for so many various reasons. IMO civility calls for laws to try to corral the insane murderous capacity of brutish people. With "War" all rules are off. It's a free for all perversion of human value...EVERYONE becoming just expendable based on strategies.

I never have thought the Allies were angels and the Axis all evil. But I also know parents of friends who were Holocaust survivors. The burden of guilt for surviving when all the rest of one's community was killed is hard to imagine. They were traumatized to the point of shut down of emotional capacity. The children carried their parent's trauma too. This is NOT about Jews but about all "other" people (and the selected others will shift with the sands of who is in charge).

The WWII story of ALLIED bombing Dresdan (just its bare facts) was outraging when I first learned about it as also was ALLIED nuclear weapons used on a civilian population. Also, the USA USSR cold war was played by people with identical profile IMO. No one objects to atrocities when it is war unless the perpetrators get defeated.

The part that ticks me off is how willing people still seem to be to agree and be compliant with the mouth pieces who spew ideology of WAR that sounds true to the collective. I chalk all this up to the belief in extreme of patriarchal values as perverted by social manipulators.

Under the uber macho of "manly" WAR lies racism, sexism, the gleam in the eye for revenge, a lust for killing and gloating over winning by hook or crook. The over whelming need to defend one's (own, country's, tribe's) honor is because people are just gaga in self righteous pride. It occurs to me that as much as people enjoy drama, the war read about can be titillating. The stories of horror can appeal to one's outrage. The stories of virtue can warm the heart. But if you are "there", nothing makes sense if one has half a wit.

The ability to mow some else down with one's wall of words is seen as intellectual but it has no lasting sense of satisfaction. The satisfaction I seek is IF I am faced with a chance to be humane, I WILL!!!

I hope that what "you" (and I) find behind the doors we choose to walk through through will always add to wisdom

[Christine]

Of course maggie and I don't disagree with your sentiments at all.

We, that is all people are the living legacy of war and generational trauma. I have never taken the stance that any side was all good and the other side all evil, that would be naive, biased and stupid. What I have wanted to point out here is that there is a common enemy of the people and the narrative of history along with all the divisiveness it creates is used as a cover for this, as karelia calls it "a mind parasite".

My invitation is that when we walk through doors they do lead to a growth of wisdom for all is more clearly seen. Unfortunately we haven't yet been able to actually do that at a collective level.

I am well aware of the limitations of words and the fact that they will be read and interpreted through personal lenses of perception. My view is not one sided and with every word I write I try to make that clear.